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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
Using liquid as a final load is interesting. I saw Tim Ellis do it. My ideal method is lifting the cup at the end to reveal a smaller cup filled with a liquid. That's what cups are for anyway.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
In my "Cocktail Surprise" effect a glass is produced from under cup and you pour into it from a "seemingly" empty cup.
National Magic made s set of 3 cups with liquid loads.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts |
There have been many different ways to do this. The Nile Cups by House of Magic have an interesting way of doing it.
"The Swatter"
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
There is also a neat method for producing a glass of wine as a final load in Bruce Elliot's "Classic Secrets of Magic," click HERE for more info.
This is often recommended as a book for beginners, but in my experience, it is anything but. Many of the effects/routines are of moderate difficulty or actually quite hard, but all are worth studying. SETH
"Watch the Professor!!" -- Al Flosso (1895-1976)
"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts |
The main thing I could say about any kind of special load, such as liquid, coins, BB's or live spiders, is that you need to forget about the load itself and figure out how to contain it. After that, the rest is simple.
Except for catching the spiders.
"The Swatter"
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I have one of the Starr loaders... it is very excellent.
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plungerman Loyal user 287 Posts |
It seems my post describing the Starr liquid load was taken off the premises. Possibly because I neglected to mention that the I.B.M close up contest I won was in Ring 43 in Chicago. And way back in 2006. I realized it last night and tuned in today to make that correction. I'm sorry if that offended anyone.
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
We ain't mad at 'cha.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Plungerman.. I think it was deleted as it gave away a secret/method.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts |
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On 2008-09-10 18:46, plungerman wrote: Nope. It was deleted because you revealed too much in an open forum. You need to put that kind of thing in the Secret Sessions.
"The Swatter"
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
As far back as mid 1980's, I had done a liquid load, using a simple cup switch. This was during a seated routine. The original idea was first shown to me by Café member, Greg McNeil.
My routine was called, "The 3 Martini Lunch". The balls were crocheted to look like olives; the large balls were large versions of the same. Then, I plucked a small Martini glass from the air and filled it from a stack of cups that was now full of water (supposedly Gin).
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plungerman Loyal user 287 Posts |
Well paint me stupid. Never even realized it. Since it is so complicated to work it seems to me like a trick jug. I just blew right past the SECRET >>!HellO!<<
And I'm all upset with the masked magician. Thanks for catching it. I'm off to check my fly. |
Magnalucius Loyal user Ecuador 210 Posts |
Don´t worry, be happy.
Lux In Tenebris
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
These are no longer in production. I spent the last week trying to track them down.
There is only one set left for sale at all. $350. A moment of silence for a great set of cups. Quote: On 2008-09-09 13:24, Bill Palmer wrote:
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts |
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On 2008-09-11 21:46, plungerman wrote: Don't feel bad about it. Nobody is mad at you. Quote:
On 2008-09-11 23:58, critter wrote: Maybe somebody will come out with a way of adapting the principle to a different set of cups.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Good challenge. Will talk to JP about it.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts |
Since it's a bit different from other water loads, it might be a good idea to get Mark Burger to talk to JP about making some different versions of it. You could load Gazzo, Galli-Galli and PF/DD chick cups with the same loader, Monti's and PF cups with the same loader, and Porper, Stanley and Sherwoods with the same loader.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
plungerman Loyal user 287 Posts |
I feel better now.
Back to water loads. Has anyone tried to use Elmsley's C&B routine with his sand load as a watery ending? |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
I did it both with Alex Elmsley and with Horace Bennett's routine, and I also tried with a cup adapted as a sort of specially made "Lotta" cup (non stacking routine). It's more impressive if you make it with apple juice as water is too clear an may not be easily seen.
A practcal solution is still to be found. I know, for having seen it on a private session in 1992, that Jean Merlin in France has a routine with special cups which keep the liquid all along a normal routine and deliver the liquid at the end (Robert Houdin inexhaustible bottle technique if I remember correctly) but he hasn't published the routine or the design of the cups as yet. The point with liquid as large load is to know in what you'll pour the liquid at the end. So with two liquid cups you can pour it in the third cup and for the audience it is perceived as if you had produced liquid in the three cups, but you still better have a glass jar of some kind to pour the liquid into it at the end. The presence of the empty jar however is kind of betraying the surprise in advance. Another drawback is that my friends were asking "Can you do the cups and balls with the wiskey at the end...", killing the surprise. I think that live animals as large loads is more impressive. The best for me has been to use hamsters: ladies find them "soooo cute" (and they last more than baby chicken). Again, you better have heavy cups as the wandering cup might be n impressive effect but it's a little out of control.
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