The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Ever so sleightly » » I learnt so much (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
Dynamike
View Profile
Eternal Order
FullTimer
24107 Posts

Profile of Dynamike
You are doing great Purist. I see you are more into magic than I thought when you first entered.
Barry Donovan
View Profile
Special user
848 Posts

Profile of Barry Donovan
I'm semi pro now, not a full time job but that's how I like it.
My working routines are all close up, tables and strolling. but I like to try my hand at all kinds of magic, so I've learned childrens,mentalism,hypnotism,ballooning as you never know when it will come in handy and increased my knowledge further. Balloons especially have increased my performing as I did a birthday party as a favour for a mate now I keep getting repeat bookings from that! Can't complain though. But wanted to learn cups and balls as it's legendary,
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
Dynamike
View Profile
Eternal Order
FullTimer
24107 Posts

Profile of Dynamike
Congradulations. "May the Force be with you."
Dave V
View Profile
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4825 Posts

Profile of Dave V
Quote:
On 2008-09-28 03:46, Purist wrote:
Daves exercise is one I will practise, probably been seen on Ammars dvds or in books but in those words its a million times simpler

If it is I haven't seen it. I tend to think in metaphors. I did poorly in school, but if I could relate the subject to something then I could "visualize" the situation better. It's as if...

There I go again.
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24272 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
This exercise is actually a very basic version of an exercise I advocate. If you find that mine doesn't work for you, go back to Dave's.

I'll explain it.

When you are trying to learn any sleight or move, first figure out what the move is supposed to be doing; for example, "this is supposed to look like I'm placing the ball into my hand from this position." So you practice "putting the ball into your hand from this position," making yourself aware of how your hands and body actually move. Once you know that, and can feel it in your muscles, then make the sleight look the same.

If you have trouble grasping this concept, then by all means use Dave's idea, because it will give you a non-sleight-related way of visualizing the process.
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
Dave V
View Profile
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4825 Posts

Profile of Dave V
If you can find it, look for Michael Ammar's essay "The Natural Lay of the Hand."
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24272 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
A lot of this is basic Vernon.

Check out this thread on John Ramsay. There is gold here.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=134
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
MagicByUriel
View Profile
Veteran user
Johnathan Townsend has a lot more than
358 Posts

Profile of MagicByUriel
Quote:
On 2008-09-28 13:27, Bill Palmer wrote:
When you are trying to learn any sleight or move, first figure out what the move is supposed to be doing; for example, "this is supposed to look like I'm placing the ball into my hand from this position." So you practice "putting the ball into your hand from this position," making yourself aware of how your hands and body actually move. Once you know that, and can feel it in your muscles, then make the sleight look the same.


That is exactly how I do it. Before practicing a slight, I always do the move for real. IE: When practicing my classic palm, I always dump it into my hands for real just to always remind myself what the real thing should look like.

I taught a magic class over the summer to young kids, and I used this technique; it seemed to work very well. When I taught them the French Drop, before even introducing them to the secret "move", I made them repeatedly take the coin from their fingers over and over.
"Magic is the only art that the audience wants the performer to screw up" - Daniel Garcia
Dave V
View Profile
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4825 Posts

Profile of Dave V
My idea is a step beyond that. Not better, just step two once you know how the "move" should look. You need to try to not make it look like you're doing a "move." Read my tag line. FORGET that it's a move and just do it. You don't care that the coin, ball, whatever is going into the other hand. IT DOESN'T MATTER. You're already thinking about what comes next. If you think that, so will they and they will follow your attention to the next thing and ignore what you don't want them to see.

Here's a pic taken a couple of years ago. My wife caught this shot at the exact moment of the transfer. Note where I'm looking. Not at the ball. Not at my hands. I'm looking at what I'm going to do next which is to pick up the wand. It's natural for me to move the ball to the left hand as I had to empty my right hand to take the wand as that's what side of the table it was on.

As insignificant as all this looks, EVERYTHING MATTERS. Wand placement, body english, everything. If the wand was on the left side of the table, it would be unnatural for me to transfer the ball and reach across my body. It wouldn't have been necessary. A mere glance in that direction is all the misdirection you need to take the attention off the transfer.

Image
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
Barry Donovan
View Profile
Special user
848 Posts

Profile of Barry Donovan
Good picture that, I like the table and the little statue!

I start a week of nights tonight, 8pm till 7am on my own all night with all prisoners locked away (work in a prison) so I'm taking my cups,balls,dvds,cards etc and I'm going to practise for a few hours per night, should improve a little bit at least!
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24272 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
To quote Vernon: "Why are you pointing?"
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
Dave V
View Profile
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4825 Posts

Profile of Dave V
Beats me. I just posted it as an example of "looking ahead"

I know, otherwise my technique sucks.
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
MagicByUriel
View Profile
Veteran user
Johnathan Townsend has a lot more than
358 Posts

Profile of MagicByUriel
Quote:
On 2008-09-29 13:10, Dave V wrote:
Beats me. I just posted it as an example of "looking ahead"

I know, otherwise my technique sucks.


LOL. And Dave, that picture clarified what you were talking about before. I couldn't really understand what you were trying to accomplish with picking up pennies, now I do. I'll try that penny exercise and see what happens.
"Magic is the only art that the audience wants the performer to screw up" - Daniel Garcia
jordanl
View Profile
Veteran user
325 Posts

Profile of jordanl
Quote:
On 2008-09-28 03:18, Purist wrote:
So does anyone else film themselves for feedback?


Not often enough. I just got a tripod, and my camera has good enough video.

I would add that as a guitar player I found nothing was more beneficial than taping myself. The tape doesn't lie!!
Pete Biro
View Profile
1933 - 2018
18558 Posts

Profile of Pete Biro
Dave's picture reminds me of a funny story.

Jerry Newton, a top trade show/hospitality performer was hired to entertain at a party by the same corporation that hired me to PHOTOGRAPH the party.

EVERY picure I took of Jerry was (on purpose) at the WRONG MOMENT... loading the chop cup, hooking the ring for ring flight, etc. etc. We still laugh about it.

OK, I did shoot the party activities properly, as hired to do.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24272 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
Quote:
On 2008-09-29 13:10, Dave V wrote:
Beats me. I just posted it as an example of "looking ahead"

I know, otherwise my technique sucks.


I just couldn't resist. I was at one of those lectures when Vernon told the story about teaching Mark Wilson's son how to do a vanish.
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
Dave V
View Profile
Inner circle
Las Vegas, NV
4825 Posts

Profile of Dave V
Would you like to critique my form for the benefit of the others? I don't mind. Let's take it to Secret Sessions.
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
Levity
View Profile
Elite user
447 Posts

Profile of Levity
Dave,

Sound advice, helpful and clear. And great photo. Thanks.

G
"I suggest you watch very carefully..."
Pete Biro
View Profile
1933 - 2018
18558 Posts

Profile of Pete Biro
The Mark Wilson/Vernon story is priceless....
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
Barry Donovan
View Profile
Special user
848 Posts

Profile of Barry Donovan
Is there a board dedicated to stories from the greats?
love reading about them
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Ever so sleightly » » I learnt so much (0 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2021 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.17 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL