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Drew Manning
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As I continue working on my show, I have decided that there are two things that I know I want to include, but am not sure if this too much for the audience.

I want to do a cigarette routine and a CD manipulation routine.

Are these too much the same to be in the same show? Will they play well if spaced out in the program?

To me, both of these are visually interesting and I think they are to the audiene as well, but I don't want to over do it.
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I don't see why you cannot do both of them in the same act. They are totally different objects and do not clash with each other.
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I agree with James. There have been magicians using coin and card manipulations in performances also. Cigarettes with CDs are no problem being used together. The main object is the rountine.
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Thanks guys. That's kind of what I thought, but I didn't want to possibly bore folks with too much vanish/appear over and over again.

That spawns my next question which is tips on how long a manipulation routine should run. Too short might seem pointless and too long gets repetitive. Any suggestions?
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12 minutes total. I did a manipulation act in the previous century that encompassed appearing and vanishing candles, cigarette manipulation, billiard ball manipulation, card manipulation (not necessarily in that order) and finished with "Snow Storm in China". 12 minutes total, silent (to music) and solid.


FWIW

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Every object have his combination.

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Drew Manning
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I like the snow storm and am experimenting with using a fan of CDs to do it rather than than an actual fan.

I don't think I'll go 12 minutes LOL
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7 to 14 minutes is good if the act is good. It really depends on the routine. A good thing to do is put together what you want to do. Next, find out what music will plays well with your rountine. Because people can perform the same rountine at different speeds. Next, try it on younger audiences and find out how they will react. Let them be the judge. I promise they are not afraid to give you their opinions.
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I believe you have to test it out with different audiences, with different pacing, music, etc., and then come back again to trim the routine again. As Dynamike says the audience is the best judge ... observe their responses and analyze again.
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When I used to do shows, they were mostly kids stuff. I always wanted to move to a more grown up audience and I never realized just how much is actually involved in making the switch.

Thanks to all of you for your input and suggestions Smile
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Thought: If you do two manip routines it would be wise to change the presentational mode to keep them different. If you do the coins in a smooth, flowing gracefull manner to waltz music, do the CDs to some harder music with 'attitude'. And, of course, put them apart in the order of your setlist.
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On 2008-10-02 13:10, ufo wrote:
Thought: If you do two manip routines it would be wise to change the presentational mode to keep them different. If you do the coins in a smooth, flowing gracefull manner to waltz music, do the CDs to some harder music with 'attitude'. And, of course, put them apart in the order of your setlist.


I agree with ufo. Different tempo and pacing for each routine would help tremendously.
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As long as you have different objectives in each routine then it won't be repetetive. Objective is everything.

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