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Ryan Bliss
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John Carney has an effect in his book Carneycopia entitled Fruit Cup. Its absolutely fantastic. AND, its not that hard to do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDetbiBfRX4
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Not my favorite Bill in Lemon but one of my very favorite magicians. I love watching Carney no matter what he does. And Carneycopia is filled with brilliant stuff. I love his Bullet Catch!
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Have anybody tried Guinn's effect with UK currency? Or any other currency than American for that matter? Smile
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Ludonia,

Scott F. Guinn's Bill in Lemon effect can be done with any currency in the world.

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Will Houstoun also but out a book (either THE NOTEBOOK or HELLIS IN WONDERLAND) where there is a bill in lemon that requires no switch, and no pre-work. Oh and it's from the 1700's
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In the argument about signed vs. serial . . . the ultimate goal is about "shutting the doors of possibility" (as I heard described by The Great Tomsoni) so that it creates/enhances the sense of mystery. The front end of the trick is about dispelling, or shutting the door, on simply switching out the bills. It strikes me that there was not as heated debate about vanishing vs. burning the bill. These are additional methods of door closing. Some performers can really sell the serial number and the burning as the one truth of determining the identity of the bill. Some prefer the signature and vanish, or whatever.

My limited philosophy, though I have been practicing less than a year, and had only three public performances:

Ultimately, the key element in it all is the audiences belief. Nothing else matters. If the audience believes, then they will be amazed; and that is an element of performance and showmanship. One can close TOO MANY doors of possibility and leave to the audience the only real explanation of the effect . . . what really happened/was done. There is a brinksmanship, a balance, of selling the effect, and ramming it down the audience throat. The performance and execution by the magician and the relationship he/she has built with the audience that will make the true difference. If you have a strong and tight effect and execution, then your sell, your belief and convincing the audience is the deal breaker.
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I agree with what you have said KungFuMagic! However for those of you still stuck on whether to go with one that is serial vs signature, I THOUGHT using a signature would be stronger. However, I recently purchased Scott Guinn's bill in lemon and I am now convinced that I like the serial number method MUCH better because of his genius idea. The person can actually begin to burn the bill while reading off the serial number and then find it in the bill and the spectator can open the bill himself. I was absolutely amazed and this trick and is a BARGAIN for the money it cost! Very pleased with it!
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IS there a demo video online somewhere we can see his performance of it?
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KungFuMagic, if you were referring to me I cannot find any performance of it online or anything. Scott Guinn is a member here so hopefully he will see this and chime in with a video source or something. I was looking for one too before I decided to get it but I figured its just 10 bucks. I'm glad I did. But everyone seems to like different ones and finds one that suits them. In fact I remember seeing a free tutorial on here by steve brooks of a way to perform it as described but the method of using the serial number is different, but its free! If I find the link I can let you know...
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The serial number versus signature debate is a rather mute one, they can both be equally as strong. Scott Guinn proves this and if you doubt me then just dish out the ten bucks it costs at Lybrary.com and prove me otherwise. With that in mind my personal preference is to use a signature just for the timing and flow of the routine, it is much quicker to verify a signature than a serial number. Although one could argue that it would be much more dramatic to verify the serial number one digit at a time, each method has it own appeal.
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I think you guys missing the best bill in lemon "any lemon" yes you hear me right ANY LEMON idea by Juan Pablo from argentina
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With regard to serial number vs. signature, I believe that in general a serial number plays better to a larger audience. In a more intimate performance, you can't really beat a signature. Why do I say this?

Well, because for a large audience, the more people involved the better. One person to volunteer a bill, another person to take the bill and read off the serial number, another person to write it down on a large board on stage. It's also a lot more dramatic for yet another person to cut it out of the lemon and read the serial number which the entire audience gets to verify as opposed to a signature where only one person gets to verify it by saying "Yeah, that's my bill." Allowing the entire audience to verify the outcome is definitely preferrable, at least to me.

Barrie Richardson has a signed bill in lemon that uses both serial number and signature. It doesn't suffer the pitfalls of a lot of other routines and it is very strong. I love the Guinn routine as well. If you simply MUST have a signed bill I'd recommend the Richardson routine because you can add and remove the serial number reveal without disrupting the flow of the routine.
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Steven,

That's a great thought ! Never saw it from this angle...

Thanks.

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My favorite is by Barrie Richardson, and can be found in his "Theater Of The Mind"
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After seeing the video below, I decided to add a similar to my show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-DEbvgPnoU

curiously, this video appears (to the spectators) very similar to Guinn's routine (and the two have many similarities). But I would say that Guinn's routine is less (magi) hands on, would look cleaner.) There is no signature, just a SN, and the judges and audience were floored.

I will say that I like the use of a bag of chips instead of the lemon, seems less incoherent. Maybe a big Cracker Jack box would be a nice touch Smile

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I think writing down the serial number slows the flow of a show. It either has to be written down or the last 4 digits memorized (with a tipsy audience, not a sure thing). The signature, they know - no doubt, no hedging - they know that is the same bill. And they don't have to remember anything. The torn corner is a bit weird but it seems to work - I like it better than a serial number. I have done bill to lemon (or lime, or kiwi, or walnut, etc) for many years and still think the signature is the way to go. I also think the vanish is critical to the "sell" of the routine. Tom Stone's essay on Tommy Wonder's watch vanish is appropos to a bill vanish. It's got to be strong or the whole thing, even the appearance of the bill in the fruit, is weakened.

While having a spectator cut the fruit open seems very fair, I also see liability issues with it. It may never happen, but the day it does, you'll regret having that angle in your show. As far as using fire to destroy the bill, those days are almost over, as most places I work do not allow fire effects.
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I love Whit Haydn's Teleportation Device routine. just tear the bill for a reciept (the serial numbers). Then do a bill to egg with the same bill after signing it. That routine is so funny- none of the stuff with signing or taking of the serial number slows it down.
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I just read this whole thread. I have a problem with Scott's routine. The problem is that it is too perfect.

When Scott's routine is finished the spectator who tries to reconstruct it in his/her mind will come to two possibilities in the end.

1.) The magician has real, laws of physics and logic defying, magical powers.

Or

2.) The magician somehow used a duplicate bill.

It's always been said that if a spectator can come to a conclusion to how the effect was done, wrong or right, the magic is destroyed. In this case the solution is correct and the only possible one a person could come to.

While the routine is well thought out and likely gets great reactions at the performance, the magic isn't lasting. When they ponder it later they will surmise the only possible solution and the magic will be gone.

Like Sherlock Holmes said: "Eliminate the impossible and whatever is left, no matter how improbable, is the answer."
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Magician Shaun:

I understand where you're coming from, but remember: "there are NO TWO BILLS in the world with the same serial number".

That blocks your point #2, leaving just point #1.

And mind you, I don't particularly care for Scott's routine. I don't like the serial number being the "proof". Personal taste.
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Everyone in the entire world is familiar with counterfeit money. When I say duplicate I am not refering to an actual real bill with the same serial numbers but a good copy.

I have described this to a few friends who are laymen and they all said: "The burning bill must be a copy." There is no other logical explanation. So #1 is farthest from the actual laymen's conclusion if they actually think about it.

Now, a large majority, I would say about 90%, of spectators don't care. They see some good magic and they don't worry about how it is done. They know it is a trick of some sort, they were entertained, so it was good.

I am sure Scott's effect is good, it's just too good in my opinion. Plus the signature, even if it others suspect a stooge, the actual person signing the bill will never, ever, forget it.
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