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Michael Baker
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On 2008-11-11 15:40, Whit Haydn wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 15:18, JackScratch wrote:
Is it the material a boat is made of that makes it float, or is it the captain?

I suspect that a great captain can float any boat, Drew... The material and design of the boat mean nothing. Smile


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tommy
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I can float a plain old round rock. The hard part is making a splash in the sky with it.
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On 2008-11-11 15:18, JackScratch wrote:
Is it the material a boat is made of that makes it float, or is it the captain?


When a boat is placed in a fluid, it pushes aside some of the liquid. If the boat's density is greater than that of the fluid it displaces, it will sink. If not, the boat will float.

It has very little to do with the materials used or the captain. (Heck, you can even float a plain old round rock -- provided that it is shaped like a bowl!)

In other words, your analogy doesn't really make any sense in this context.
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On 2008-11-11 17:15, JackScratch wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 15:40, Whit Haydn wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 15:18, JackScratch wrote:
Is it the material a boat is made of that makes it float, or is it the captain?

I suspect that a great captain can float any boat, Drew... The material and design of the boat mean nothing. Smile


No Captain who ever existed could float a plain old round rock. I'm not surprised you got it wrong. The correct answer is: "Neither; the factors which cause a boat to float are many and varied, and while a material which is poorly suited to a particular vessel structure or a bad Captain will surely put a boat on the ocean floor, it takes a great deal more than either, or even both, factors accounted for to make a boat float." Again, Whit, you were in such a big hurry to be "clever" that you have completely missed the point. Only those who pay attention to all details achieve success.


I am so disappointed that I got it wrong. I could have sworn that you said the performer is everything, and the magic trick and its design mean nothing--the magician doesn't even have to do magic. I assumed you meant the captain is the magician. From your previous posts on this forum, I would assume that a great captain would not even need a boat.
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Great captains only need water to walk on.
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On 2008-11-11 18:16, BarryFernelius wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 15:18, JackScratch wrote:
Is it the material a boat is made of that makes it float, or is it the captain?


When a boat is placed in a fluid, it pushes aside some of the liquid. If the boat's density is greater than that of the fluid it displaces, it will sink. If not, the boat will float.

It has very little to do with the materials used or the captain. (Heck, you can even float a plain old round rock -- provided that it is shaped like a bowl!)

In other words, your analogy doesn't really make any sense in this context.



Read my reply to Whit; that was actually the point of that post. It doesn't make any sense because the question begged by the original post, the one my metaphor was a metaphor for, doesn't make any more sense. It's asking which quality makes a good magician, and much like the answer you just gave, the answer is neither and both. In other words, the question is entirely too simple for the subject it was intended to cover. Just like my analogy.

In times of material shortage, there have been very successful ships built from concrete. It isn't the easiest way, but it can be done and is even essential from time to time. That being said, it still has to be built and used correctly. You can't just pour yourself a big old concrete slab and drop it in the water. And even if built and designed correctly, improper use will result in disaster. None of this really matters, though. It was meant to be an analogy, designed to make a clearer point. Of course, as usual, SOMEONE was far more interested in being clever than actually providing useful information to his fellow magicians, and so he attempted to fool around with the wording, which still works just fine but certainly detracts from the subject at hand.
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On 2008-11-11 18:39, Whit Haydn wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 17:15, JackScratch wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 15:40, Whit Haydn wrote:
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On 2008-11-11 15:18, JackScratch wrote:
Is it the material a boat is made of that makes it float, or is it the captain?

I suspect that a great captain can float any boat, Drew... The material and design of the boat mean nothing. Smile


No Captain who ever existed could float a plain old round rock. I'm not surprised you got it wrong. The correct answer is: "Neither; the factors which cause a boat to float are many and varied, and while a material which is poorly suited to a particular vessel structure or a bad Captain will surely put a boat on the ocean floor, it takes a great deal more than either, or even both, factors accounted for to make a boat float." Again, Whit, you were in such a big hurry to be "clever" that you have completely missed the point. Only those who pay attention to all details achieve success.


I am so disappointed that I got it wrong. I could have sworn that you said the performer is everything, and the magic trick and its design mean nothing--the magician doesn't even have to do magic. I assumed you meant the captain is the magician. From your previous posts on this forum, I would assume that a great captain would not even need a boat.


lol Jesus, that is funny, and so spot on that it has to hurt...
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Whit Haydn
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Maybe if you explain it again from the beginning, I will understand... The captain is the magician, right? Is the boat a metaphor for the show, the audience or both?
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So the boat does not float, because it’s a submarine. The captain can walk along on the seabed with it upside-down over his head. Metaphorically speaking?
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Whit Haydn
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Tommy, you always seem to go deeper than I.
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Then again, maybe no amount of explanation could ever cause you to "get it" because long ago you made the decision not to. Or maybe you aren't here to help others, rather have some variety of twisted "fun" at their expense. Either way, maybe you and your cronies are a complete waste of my time.
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I get it. The captain is the magician, the boat is the prop, the fish are the audience, and the seabed is the stage, and the trick is to be your undergraduate.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Clark
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As usual, the cop-out is weak and ignorant...
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