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How easy it is, I think, to corrupt casino dealers. Here is just one reason that I think so:

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Meaninglessness.

In the study the dimension of meaninglessness generally referred to the dealer's lack of intrinsic pride in his work. (This characterization of meaninglessness is somewhat like that discussed by Seeman. Dealers experienced a high degree of meaninglessness. The four items measuring this dimension yielded a grand mean of 3.99 among all respondents. Also, thirty-five of the dealers received a mean score of 3.50 or higher on items measuring meaninglessness. Only three in the sample reported that they saw their occupation as giving a sense of personal satisfaction.
Twelve dealers indicated that the job was so boring that they planned to leave the occupation as soon as another job came along. One dealer thought that 90 percent of all dealers were totally bored with their work and another dealer thought most of his coworkers hated their work because of boredom.

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I think the only problem is in devising a safe move. What do you think are they easily corrupted?
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I really think this is a loaded question. By that I mean. Why pick on dealers? Why not bank tellers, or security guards, or armoured car drivers, oh yea lets not forget jockeys.

How corruptible is anyone? I can only respond with...If the price is right. You fill in the rest.

But maybe I am begging the question here. The topic was dealers. Let me start off by saying I play a lot of cards in A.C. (NO Limit Texas Holdem cash games) (not the kind you see on TV, the money is much less but you still have to be careful). Many of the dealers I talk with are bored with their work, but to that I must add this. How many people in general find their work interesting?

It is very difficult for a dealer at most of the casinos where I play to be able cheat. Automatic shufflers make it just about impossible. If they were able to cheat, they would have to be bored out of their minds having that much ability and dealing cards for a livinig.

As I stated in the beginninig if they are able and the price is right.......

I can only end by saying that to all reading reading this, "Even you have a price".
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I pick dealers cos this is the gambling spot.

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GAMBLING AND FRAUD AS INTIMATE BEDFELLOWS.
Another truism from gambling history is that dishonesty and fraud have invariably been an integral part of the gambling business. Cheating and gambling have always been a proposition.

From the same work.

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On 2008-10-19 21:56, tommy wrote:
I pick dealers cos this is the gambling spot.


Your right. I understand your rationale. I really meant no offense. I just mentioned people in general

My bad.
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No. No problem Aces.

I am just wondering how dangerous it would be to make a proposition to a casino dealer. Weighing up the odds of him going running to the office and spilling the beans. The few that I know personally would not but I really think 90% wouldn’t.
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"all people are corruptible , it's all a matter of price" , ha



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That's right but it's the casino that will be doing the paying. Smile
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Maybe a better bet would be to simply pretend that you know nothing about cards or dice and go to a dealer school in Las Vegas...then get a job in a casino.

Not a clever idea and I know it's been done before Smile
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I don't think they would grant me a licence or I would.
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Some casinos are more tolerant than others. I still don't have much experience in the domain, but a casino hired me as a dealer knowing full well that I do sleight of hand. So I guess it comes down to how well you can sell yourself in an interview.

As for a dealer cheating: Even with a card shuffler, simply flashing the hole card in blackjack can give a HUGE advantage to a card counter.
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Do dealers get a good wage or is thier income mostly tips like a waiters?
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Sure they're corruptible, no more so than any other person. I know of instances of dealers stealing checks from every joint I've been around.

But when the heat comes down the dealer's usually the first and only one to give everyone up. The orientals had a nice mini-bacc play going at the MGM and Hilton back in the late 90s, to the tune of several million. They would've got off if one of the dealers involved wasn't one slap away from giving it all up. It's the same story in all these recent press stories, usually it's one of the dealers.

Just a personal opinion but the fewer casino employees you have to do business with, the better. I just wouldn't trust em.

Not only are they easily intimidated into confessing but the other problem is that most just can't keep their mouths shut. Knew a dumbass boxman back east who just had to brag at the tavern that he was swinging with $200 every night at work, with other people from the same casino in earshot.

Some just don't have the nerve. Knew a kid who learned some very basic shuffle work (ashamed to say from me), his first night out they take off $10,000, and he's so proud that the next time I see him he has to show me, and the work is so god-awful that he's lucky no one saw it. Well for the next few weeks at his job every time the phone rings in the pit he just about soils himself he's so nervous. The experience spooked him out of ever doing anything again.
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Thanks Z.. Never worked in casino's myself, other than dealt poker a few times. We have a few dealers deal for us here at the our private game and we know quite few to talk to. But it’s not the same as actually working there and knowing by that experience what the score is. I was reading this book, that we can download here a pdf, and I think there are interesting things in it about casino’s: Unions, Juice, Loyalty etc Thanks for your insights.

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Interesting web site...thanks !
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Flashing the hole card gives a HUGE advantage to a counter???
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On 2008-10-20 05:43, Louis.P.M wrote:
Some casinos are more tolerant than others. I still don't have much experience in the domain, but a casino hired me as a dealer knowing full well that I do sleight of hand. So I guess it comes down to how well you can sell yourself in an interview.

As for a dealer cheating: Even with a card shuffler, simply flashing the hole card in blackjack can give a HUGE advantage to a card counter.


Not sure what you mean flashing the hole card gives a huge advantage to a counter. If you see the dealers hole card you know everything, makes no difference whether you are countinig or not.
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"Not sure what you mean flashing the hole card gives a huge advantage to a counter. If you see the dealers hole card you know everything, makes no difference whether you are countinig or not.
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It's an advantage of course but you don't know everything, some casinos offer double exposure blackjack by simply modifying the rules a bit. It's a good thing to now but not as much help as you might think.
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On 2008-10-20 19:29, gadfly3d wrote:
It's an advantage of course but you don't know everything, some casinos offer double exposure blackjack by simply modifying the rules a bit. It's a good thing to now but not as much help as you might think.


I'd say more money was won by just knowing the dealer's hole card than virtually every other blackjack ploy ever conceived.

"Modifying the rules a bit," combined with restrictive betting limits balances out what house edge is given up by Double Exposure. Still makes for a crappy game IMO, and it isn't very widespread.
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At one time Double Exposure 21 was offered with a 3:2 payout for blackjack. That game was profitable with the correct strategy (which was different than a regular 21 strategy, btw).

Most often these days DE21 is played with a 1:1 payout for 21. Not worth playing.

Also, with regard to getting the dealer's hole card, if you could get it 100% of the time, it's worth about 10%. That's bigger than almost any bet at craps, any bet at roulette, and many of the sucker bets at games like 3-card poker, Let it Ride, etc.

it's indeed huge. Of course, the proper strategy must be memorized (it isn't tough, but it's not always intuitive).

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