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trickychaz
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Hey all

I guess he didn't say I suck but rather that they are long and boring. This was disappointing to me because I worked really hard on these tricks and planned to put them into a really cool routine! This was from a so called friend that was giving me positive critism. I put a lot of effort into these tricks (especially the club video) Check it out and PM me if you think differently? Also check out my other juggling videos and other useless stuff on my profile.

Jugglng rehearsal with CLUBS (my favorite and I put the most work into)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V0pERYvKzk

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Chaz
Al Angello
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Chaz
You have a lot of good tricks there, now add some entertainment value and you are good to go. Tipically you need from a 30 to 45 minute show to call yourself a solo performer.
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satcom
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Youre looking great! I don't juggle, but that's a cool talent, and I don't know how anyone can say you suck. I definitely enjoyed it, so the average spectator will too.
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Although Chaz displays great skill a true performer needs to have a marketable talent to get work as a juggler. I have given Chaz a couple of tips on how I made the transition from technition to entertainer, and I look forward to seeing him improve.
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trickychaz
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I suppose it depends on what the client is looking for, and whether or not you will fullfill their needs. There are techinal jugglers "Anthony Gatto" Stand Up Comedy Jugglers "usually don't focus on learning difficult tricks with 7 balls etc, but have a variety of stuff windeled throughout thier show. I think to have a full show it would be fine to mix techinal juggling "to a musical number" with the comedy audience participation bits, mixed with a variety of unusual props.

I like learning the techinally hard tricks, but from what others have said it is not as important as being an "Entertainer" You must connect with them visually, physically, and emotionally. I suppose it would be the same for a big name magic act. Large illusions to musical numbers mixed with curtain dropping and having some fun with the audience?
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Hey chaz,

first of all...WOW...you definately have some talent there...let me just share a little of my experience and perhaps you can get a little insight, motivation, or otherwise from it...

I had been doing magic for about 10 years before I started juggling and about 12 years before I started juggling seriously...what I learned from magic was that there were tons of people less talented than me technically, but they were getting a ton of work and I was sitting around wondering what in hell happened...

through a lot of trial and error and I learned what everyone has told me before...presentation is everything...

this is something I think we all hear and know, but it takes a little experience to "get"...a common statement throughout the dvd "Street Theatre" is that it's not what you do, but how you do it...

I'm not that technical of a juggler...i've taken advice from al and some of the others on this forum and gradually added some juggling pieces to my show...the most technical things I do is a short run (20 throws) of 5 balls, and juggling knives on a rola bola...these aren't super-hard to do, but its the build up that sells it for me...

I guess what I'm saying is that you have the skills already...just play around with your personality and build up to harder tricks...there's nothing wrong with juggling being about "hey, check me out," but too much of that can bore an audience, and that's probably what your friend was speaking of...
trickychaz
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Thanks for the advice! Have any videos of your show? I would be interested in seeing how you put routines together. Are there any post you recommend on the Café juggling related?

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Chaz
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Gatto is amazing. When I was learning to juggle he had broken several world records and was younger (is) than me. I never set out to be the most technically advanced juggler. It takes us seven minutes to juggle six knives between the two of us. That is pretty long routine for such a simple trick.

If I could juggle as good as you I would work up a killer musical opener. Don't use the audience too much. When I first started I used them too much. Now we don't use any audience help. It messes up the pacing and we like the show to be tight and consistent. Use them like salt a pepper. Perform the show in front of you and not the one in your head.
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Check out Bruce Manners about 1 min.30 sec. in;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAQmzaulRnA

I saw this and thought you'd might like his interaction with the audience.
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trickychaz
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David Paul

I like, and thanks for sharing!

Chaz
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Chaz
PM JeffWampler and ask him about the trick I gave him that he put into his act.
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trickychaz
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Sounds Great! Did you give him a routine or just a piece of equipment to put into the show?

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Chaz
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Kinda both, but I believe that each one should teach one. If you want to know my routine contact me after you speak to Jeff.
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MiketheMagicDude
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Hey man.

I know its rough if someone tells you that you suck...
...just keep doing what you do. And work harder.

Don't fish for compliments. The more people tell you how great you are the easier it is to slip back. If you are happy and proud of what you do that is all that should matter right.

Keep up the good work, and don't stop learning or pushing yourself farther.
JeffWampler
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Here's a clip from someone I'd never heard of...he's pretty good and pretty funny...shows you don't necessarily have to do a music routine to show your skill...i think its a nice, entertaining routine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkUrpUv5ewM
trickychaz
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Thanks for sharing. Very skillful juggling without the music. He is actually a bit beyond my skill level, but very entertaining. If you have a youtube account you are welcome to share videos with myself. Take a look at my favorites I have tons of videos...some not even juggling related.

Chaz
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Chaz -

I'm a newbie to juggling (just working with three balls now) but your performance looked great to me. Beautiful to watch. At least from my perspective, you don't need to do anything else to "add some entertainment value" - the entertainment is intrinsic in watching a tremendously difficult thing done so effortlessly. And it's obvious that you're having fun, which makes it even more fun for the viewer.
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Way to go, Chaz. Keep up the good work. And thanks for the free entertainment, dude.
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