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On 2008-10-26 10:25, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
"It would be clear that he was not French, but the sentences would, of course, be acceptable."

I disagree. Without context some pieces are very odd. For instance "je suis pas clair" for "I'm unclear" is not that good. If you're talking with a mate about relativity, of course "je suis pas clair" will sound "understandable" to your interlocutor, he will comprehend "I need to be more clear". But without context it means something like "I'm not really in order"... Same stuff for "je suis kevin". In french, we don't care who you are if you are not asked Smile. If I ask "who are you", you ought to answer "I am kevin". But if you talk on your own, without any question, you would say "My name is kevin".
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On 2008-10-27 11:42, AMcD wrote:
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On 2008-10-26 10:25, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
"It would be clear that he was not French, but the sentences would, of course, be acceptable."

I disagree. Without context some pieces are very odd. For instance "je suis pas clair" for "I'm unclear" is not that good. If you're talking with a mate about relativity, of course "je suis pas clair" will sound "understandable" to your interlocutor, he will comprehend "I need to be more clear". But without context it means something like "I'm not really in order"... Same stuff for "je suis kevin". In french, we don't care who you are if you are not asked Smile. If I ask "who are you", you ought to answer "I am kevin". But if you talk on your own, without any question, you would say "My name is kevin".


You may have noticed that her response was considerably more kind and generous than mine. Maybe that's because she's....


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Well, as long as we're gonna get serious and all that:

I asked my wife whether you could say, "Ich bin nicht klar...." and she said no. Then I asked, so you would say, "es ist mir nicht klar...." and she said right.

So the German isn't any good either.

Did I ever tell y'all that I am totally fluent in bad German?
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Qui c'est d'abord ce Kevin? Woher ist der Mann? Se trata de una persona famosa? Il mio italiano deve essere poveri! Alles wat uw zegt is niet magisch. Eu não entendi nada.Så vi slutar här!
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When translating, choose your words and phrases carefully. Avoid slang. Instead of "I'm hot" say "I am beautiful". That's much less ambiguous. Use present tense. Try to keep to a core 500-word vocabulary; use simple words. For example, don't use "ambiguous." Smile
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On 2008-10-27 11:42, AMcD wrote:
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On 2008-10-26 10:25, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
"It would be clear that he was not French, but the sentences would, of course, be acceptable."

I disagree. Without context some pieces are very odd. For instance "je suis pas clair" for "I'm unclear" is not that good. If you're talking with a mate about relativity, of course "je suis pas clair" will sound "understandable" to your interlocutor, he will comprehend "I need to be more clear". But without context it means something like "I'm not really in order"... Same stuff for "je suis kevin". In french, we don't care who you are if you are not asked Smile. If I ask "who are you", you ought to answer "I am kevin". But if you talk on your own, without any question, you would say "My name is kevin".


I don't really think that (at this point in time, anyway) we can expect translations from a machine for informal situations to meet the standard you're alluding to -- for that you need a good portion of your life dedicated to study of both languages. The differences between the french and the english in the first example are nothing compared to the weird translations that can come up between western and eastern languages, for instance, and yet even then functional language is attainable. That's generally the aim of these translation devices. You're not trying to pass yourself off as fluent in a foreign language, you're just trying to find the bathroom before bad things happen.
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