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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Jay has put out this new effect where a card appears nailed to a block of wood.
Splendid. My question arises about the originality of the effect. My mind goes back to the 70's when Lou Tannen marketed an effect called "Nailed" (Or "Nailed It") The effect was that a card was found nailed to a solid block of wood. I know for a fact such an effect existed. I payed good money for it and used it my show! Now back then, I believe the price was in the ten dollar range, but I was a serviceman with tons of money to blow, and ten dollars was a lot back then for an effect. So what is the difference between Sankey's effect and the original? Is the difference perhaps in the method used to get the card attached to the nail? The effect as I remember it used a more square chunk of wood than I saw in the Sankey video. From what I could see, Jay was using a thinner block of wood. But in that video, I did not see the effect actually performed by Jay. I recall that in the original, one had to take the nailed card and wood as a unit from behind a nightclub table or such. Perhaps a briefcase could be employed. (But I used my nightclub table) If the card was not signed by the spectator, you could preset it before the show, however, if you had the spectator sign the card so that the same actual card was produced, you were required to do the dirty work right there, on the spot, and quickly, I might add) Thus the cover of a nightclub table or such was indispensable. Now let me add this: If you are not going to have the spectator sign the card, you may as well just forget the effect. The visual on this is so strong and impossible that leaving off the signature could ONLY result in the spectator thinking (and rightly so...can you blame them?) that the card is a dupe. There is no way around it in this case. You must provide indisputable proof that it is one and the same card, thus eliminating any realistic possibility of performing this as a pre-set. Still, the question remains as to the originality of this. Is anyone else here familiar with the original and could tell if Jay has come up with a different method of loading the card on the nail?? Enquiring minds want to know!
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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SplitSpades11 New user 44 Posts |
To be honest, my friend.....i really don't care! At the end of the day jay sankey rules. and his version is probably better anyways!!Who cares if someone else thought of it.That happens all the time by no fault of anyone's.i doubt very much you will be going around in a restaurant and show it to some laypeople and then they call you on it and say sorry but I saw that effect on the market back in the 1970's for a retail price of only 10 dollars and by the looks of it that is the recent jay sankey handling for approximately 30 dollars so therefore I will be submitting a formal complaint to management.sorry buddy but it is the last thing on the complaint list for anyone with a life.
"I care about eating, magic, and holding my children. " — Jay Sankey
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Jay Sankey has been creating and teaching magic since he was a teenager. He's been around since 1980. He does thorough research and I have complete confidence in him as a creator.
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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SplitSpades11 New user 44 Posts |
I totally agree with you Christopher.
"I care about eating, magic, and holding my children. " — Jay Sankey
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Dan McLean Inner circle Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur 1261 Posts |
The card is signed. He says that on his site several times. Check out
http://www.sankeymagic.com/detail.aspx?ID=48200 While you're there, buy it. That should answer all your questions. $10 in the 70s is about $50 now. Blockbuster sells for $32 now. I'd say Sankey's is a bargain. |
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sailorphil Regular user 103 Posts |
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On 2008-10-26 16:29, SplitSpades11 wrote: ----------------------------------------------------------- You are (you're) right the laypeople might not complain about the origin of the trick. But they may complain about you pulling out a hammer in a restaurant and pounding a nail in to the wood while people are trying to have dinner, but that's just me. I really don't think that this is a restaurant piece, but I think it might be a great bit, if you have have done 3 or 4 boring card tricks and now need to wake the audience up! Let's not say a trick is great just because 'so and so' put it out, let's reserve judgement until we have purchased and performed it, YOUR praise of a performer should not cloud your vision, even some of the biggest movie stars have put out duds. ( I am not saying that this is a dud - I don't know - just saying we shouldn't assume that it is great before reviewing it ) Phil |
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
I think (?) a similar idea was also put out in a book by David Regal. Only a signed card ended up stapled to a block of wood.
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sailorphil Regular user 103 Posts |
I really liked the Sankey trick "nailed" in which it used a photograph of the card nailed to a table.
Much more practical than carrying a hammer and wood around. IMHO No need for the carpenters tool belt ! Oh no, what have I done ???.... now someone will have a Magicians toolbelt out for sale -- including a 16oz Estwing hammer. Or better yet the deluxe model with an air compressor and a pneumatic nail gun!! |
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SplitSpades11 New user 44 Posts |
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On 2008-10-27 17:35, sailorphil wrote: ha.......ha I'm practically hesterical!!!.the description on his site clearly states that you don't need to carry around the hammer and the props are lightwieght and very portable with a 1 hour instructional DVD includes several different handlings for all skill levels! Some surprisingly EASY!.I own many Sankey products and every single one is flawless,i don't see why this would be an exception?
"I care about eating, magic, and holding my children. " — Jay Sankey
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
Jay called Blockbuster the King Kong of Card Trick... I like the idea of using a business card that the spec signed and impossibly nailed to a block of wood.. This could be better than Nailed for the dyed-in-the-wool Sankey's fans.
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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dizzydiaz1001 New user 4 Posts |
I think it will be the same in some ways but different in others than the other versions... Sankey is defo not a copy or anything so I know if it is he didn't do it on purpose.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Now I KNOW I'm not in Kansas anymore...
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Daffy, the effect you mention is completely different, and sounds like a variant (possible knock off) of an original, British, Geoff Ray effect. I don't recall the title (maybe Kung Fu Card or something, Geoff was a black belt at karate) but I had the effect. It could be done undrerneath a handkerchief on the table top but if so you needed to be seated (a lot of close up workers were over 30 years ago). It was quite ingenius.
After reading the Blockbuster blurb, I immediately thought of David Regal's "Nailed" from his book "Up Close And Personal". Although to be honest, this has to be COMPLETELY different, as David actually uses a stapler...... A cabaret worker might try the latter with jumbo cards and staple it to a cork notice board on a stand for greater visibility. I was thinking of doing that myself but never got around to it. Paul. |
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Sid Helkule Inner circle Australia 1481 Posts |
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On 2008-10-26 16:29, SplitSpades11 wrote: Dude that's pretty narrow minded. Who cares? The original creators who lose out when their effect is marketed by someone else. Of course lay people couldn't care less - but the starving magician who created the orginal probably would. That being said, I agree with Christopher. I have the utmost faith in Jay's business ethics, and would not think twice about purchasing ANY effect from him. Luke |
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SplitSpades11 New user 44 Posts |
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On 2008-11-04 08:57, shield wrote: narrow minded maybe.but that's just the way I feel.If there is a starving magician out there because someone has made a better version of his effect than that is no ones fault but his own.
"I care about eating, magic, and holding my children. " — Jay Sankey
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hackmonkey Inner circle England 1093 Posts |
Booo yah.
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Sid Helkule Inner circle Australia 1481 Posts |
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narrow minded maybe.but that's just the way I feel.If there is a starving magician out there because someone has made a better version of his effect than that is no ones fault but his own. I can see from all of your posts that you are a massive Sankey fan... You could even say he is your magic hero, no? I guess though that you don't mind that Dan Hauss has created a similar effect to Jay called 'Sleeping Queen', strangely similar to Jay's 'Sleeping Beauties' effect on Hypervisual. Or now 'Lit' which is similar to Jay's 'Fire Down Below'... I suppose it's your hero Jay's fault for not coming up with better versions of HIS OWN effect every 6 months. Seriously kid... Think before you speak. Luke |
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Jimeh Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1399 Posts |
Booo yah.
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Majestic12 Special user Maryland 643 Posts |
Yah Booo.
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resshin New user 53 Posts |
Has anyone who's gotten this effect offer their experiences with it?
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