Hi everyone.
The stall, or the jump, I think is the easiest way of nullifying a cut. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the cheat passes the cards to be cut, but instead of completing the cut, the cheat grabs the bottom half, puts it in his hand, the cheat puts up his ante, an puts the upper half on top, putting the deck back in its original order.
I've used this technique many times, it's very convincing. for some reason the move seems to fly well for most people. do you think it's an effective technique if used in a private game?

This method in simplest form is described in Erdnase. Its use will depend on the type of company you keep. The good thing is the ease of execution and the 'out' ie an honest mistake. This ruse still carries risks. It is well known and will be spotted by those 'in the know' especially in a money game. In my opinion, its best to use this move sparingly in a private game. Personally, I prefer other ways of forcing the cut.

Regards,

Paul

Throw a 100 dollar Bill on the floor, and now its very easy to nullify the cut.

Easy, but expensive!

You could always try the old 'low cut dress on a babe delivering drinks' ruse.

"Hey guys, I've been doing this move that seems to fool the people I've done it for. Do you think it would actually fool people?"

Well, at a gambling table one usually gets an immediate and honest response wether a move *flys well* or not.

Regards,

Yea, A fist "flying" into your face or groin...or worse, a bullet.

So, I guess the gaming table is not the best place to "practice" unless you want a doctor

A bullet? I agree it has happened sometimes, but let's be fair: most of the time it's just a fist into your face or a big hubbub. Of course, it depends also the buy-in you are playing with but "bullets" are much more common in movies than in true games.

Never work alone that’s the easiest way.

8k posts soon tommy! Beer and girls for everyone able to perform a table faro under big scrutiny !!

You guys are too hung up on what you see in Westerns and mob flicks.

A friend of mine often says that the few times he's been "caught" while moving it never lead to some violent standoff, but rather the guy who nailed it would quietly approach him later and proposition him to do business! He seems to be of the belief that the notion that cheats get the **** beat out of them when they are caught is a bit of a myth, at least from his experience.

I've heard stories to the contrary of course, but I think the moral is not to make blanket generalizations either way.

I find the stories of club owners or pit bosses quietly brushing down a cheat and asking him to leave infinitely more badass than those involving fistfights or the withdrawal of weapons.

^That was a different era, sadly. Wish it was still like that.

I've played many games where something weird seems to occur while you play. So what? When you suspect someone of cheating you must bring some kind of evidence. I'm speaking about private games, not casino or club games. Of course, if the guy is caught with a hanger, chances are great you see him punched but more often than not he's just got to leave quickly the room, asked not to be back again and of course his buy-in is ours. I've seen guys punched, big bubbubs, threats but the first step is to proove you're right. Unless you're using a magic marked deck, 2 inches crimps or cell phone colluding it's often hard to proove you did something unfair. How can you proove I second deal once it's done if you've got no camera? Of course, a King straight at the bottom of the deck should be avoided .

It depends the guys you are playing with too. If you wanna show off in an illegal joint with a mob around your $1,000 buy-in table, well, you know what you do and where you are. But in classic private games you're just playing with standard guys!Don't forget that here, in Europe, we don't have as many weapons than guys have in USA.

I just shoot them in the eyeball.

Docs friends beg to differ I suppose.

Regards,

I wouldn't compare a country club poker game to street craps. Two entirely different worlds.

Exactly. If you are stupid enough to try some moves around a table full of scums, in an uncertain suburb while playing an illegal game, of course, chances are great you're gonna be in deep trouble when you get caught.

But usual private games, clubs and pubs are full of standard and cool people. Of course they don't like being cheated like any of us, but 95% have just no idea about what a "move" is. Again, when you suspect something weird, take your money back and leave. If they suspect you, there's a big roasting, guys are speaking loud and complaining. Once in a while you can come across an aggressive one, that's right. But if there's no evidence, what can they do? The point is to get/use a good psychology to understand the limit from which things can go wrong. It's a question of experience and background. When the limit is close, just leave.

We also must take into account that sometimes cheaters are just playing in crews. There is let's say 2 suckers and from 4 to 6 cheats. Do you really think there is any possible trouble for the cheat been "caught"?

Sure, there are exceptions, once in a while some guy is shot. I'd have some statistics about that. I'd bet that when a pro is caught, 90.5% there's a big noise, 9.4% you risk a punch or two and 0.1% (even less) you get serious troubles.

Note that according western movies I've seen, been hung because cheating is visibly not a good method to stop a pro. Western after western, you still can watch cheats in action. One of my favorite is "5 cards stud". From the palming revealed to the rope there is maybe 2' in between

Steve forte says in his gps tapes that cheating at cards is the most tolerated crime in the US

You mean "advantage play". The word "Cheating" sounds harsh. As besides if you use "advantage play", you are not guaranteed to win every hand anyway