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Jeff Haas Special user 931 Posts 
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Don't worry about a well-produced beginner's book being available to the public. The Mark Wilson Course, Now You See It Now You Don't, and the Amateur Magician's Handbook have been available for years and you wouldn't know it.
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts
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I think it is too good for the general public if they are looking to just learn secrets. I think he did a good job specifying that magic takes work and buying a magic book just to learn secrets is disrespectful. I think this is a great source for beginners looking to really get into magic. I wish I had it when I started. I found a thing or two I had never seen before too, great book.
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts
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Quit worrying about this book you guys!
Kids(and even adults) don't read anymore! Internet exposure is a much BIGGER issue, not some book that they actually have to pay for or dare I say, READ! lol If you want to hide something, hide it in a book  |
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Jimeh Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1399 Posts
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True indeed Hart. Most will pass it right by and those that don't are probably
the ones willing to apply themselves and 'join' the club so-to-speak. I think this book will enrich magic, not hurt it... |
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rjthomp Regular user Pasadena 199 Posts
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The vast majority of magical exposure is caused by bad magicians messing up performances. By bringing beginning magicians up to speed quicker than they would without it, I expect this book will actually reduce exposure, not increase it.
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magicbern Inner circle Hong Kong, China 1220 Posts
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I've just finished skimming over the book and DVD - it is an EXCELLENT primer for kids and also contains wrinkles and tips applicable to magicians of all ages and experience levels. My favorite items are Trick Shot (a fabulous Jay Sankey version of the old Ashes on Palm trick) as well as Joshua Jay's versions of Linking Rings and Invisible Deck. There are also complete act suggestions, lots of magical history, practice and performance tips - as well as some of the most attractive female audience helpers on the DVD since the L&L ones with Janelle, Cassandra and others!
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Robert M Inner circle 2482 Posts
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tgold65 Regular user 194 Posts
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Link for the book and DVD at a whopping $11.97 on Amazon (with free shipping and no sales tax).
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Complete-Cou......2&sr=8-1 The description on Amazon says that about 1/3rd of the effects in the book are performed and explained on the DVD. |
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DaveS Veteran user New York 329 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 12:17, tgold65 wrote: This looks like a wonderful holiday gift at a great price for a youngster interested in magic. The CNN interview is quite engaging. Also see Fox 5's feature which included a nice shout out to Al Cohen whose magic shop was a wonderful place to visit and buy magic in D.C. http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Insid......Id=5.2.1 Interestingly, Barnes & Noble's website depicts the book cover with a different photo of Joshua, different verbiage and an expanded title (Magic: The Complete Course in Becoming a Magician). http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Magic/J......61149873 The lower right corner of the B&N cover says "Watch Joshua Jay perform and explain 75 tricks" on the included DVD. By contrast, Amazon's cover photo says there are 32 tricks on the DVD. Probably the same book and DVD but it's a bit confusing. Dave
We shall not cease from exploration/And the end of all our exploring/Will be to arrive where we started/And know the place for the first time. (TS Elliot)
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3094 Posts
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On 2008-11-14 16:45, Michael J. Douglas wrote: I stand by my previous post above. ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for Joshua Jay) All the sincere talk about the Masked Magician and exposure versus seeking out the information. My opinion, "Smoke and Mirrors". It's about money in his pocketbook especially in the way he is marketing his book. (CNN, book tours, Barnes and Noble, Costco, Sam's Club etc.) This is MY OPINION but I've lost respect for him. I will NOT be supporting his book or him. He is trivializing what we do who perform regularly for paying gigs. DP
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3094 Posts
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See this thread too.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=36&13
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts
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I don't understand all the grumbling. People act if this information is not already EASILY available. Personally I would rather have kids starting out with solid information from a book like this then hmm lets say ellusionist or the MANY sites that offer free secrets on a daily basis. My wife has a little cousin who is interested in magic. he was telling me how this site that some guy runs sends him about 10-20 trick explanations everyday via email. you can bet your rear-admiral that they are crappy, this is how its done and you can to kind of instruction that leads to the cheapening of magic as a form of entertainment, and art.
Joshua Jay's book is quite the opposite. the book starts off in a way to create respect. credits and mentions history through out, has fabulous presentations. and all the little things exposure sites leave out to beginners. I for one am glad he took the time to put together something fitting for people to learn and not start a new youtube channel of secrets |
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Andi Peters Inner circle 1330 Posts
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On 2008-11-01 12:14, Nerdini wrote: Can't believe Josh has written about this in a book for laymen!!! It's a staple item for many workers and there's an unwritten rule that this shouldn't be exposed. Nice one Josh :-( |
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts
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When this hits the uk I may pick a copy up
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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kannon Inner circle BCN 1025 Posts
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This is a great book, I wish I had a book like this when I was kid instead of the two crumby ones I remember so vividly. And that friggin' Marvin's magic set jeez.
If followed this would really create a good foundation in beginner of magic. The sponge napkin routine is great! I understand that ashes on palm / ID seem to strong for a beginner magic book ... but they are simple and help to build confidence...plus THIS ISN'T FOR LAYMAN, ITS FOR BEGINNER MAGICIANS unlike a TV program which tips it to anyone who cares to listen or tune in for a second this is a book people go and buy so they can learn magic and perform magic.
My work and the Mtangulizi here http://kannonsworks.weebly.com featuring work on drawing duplications, a fiddle-free billet tear, bar mentalism, pendulums
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts
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On 2008-11-18 20:18, Joshua Barrett wrote: I agree. And besides, if you want to hide secrets, put them in a book. Only the truly dedicated will take the time to both buy and look at the book's contents. All the merely curious and the lazy will continue to go to YouTube. Additionally, conceptually, how is Jay's book any different from all the other general magic books out there at Barnes and Noble and other retail book stores--or available in many public libraries? Finally, it is in the presentation that the true magic occurs. Case in point: I session with a relative newbie magician most Friday afternoons. During one session, he showed me a simple self-working card trick. The next week, I performed Eugene Burger's "Fogel's Triple Prediction" (from Eugene's "Intimate Power" booklet) for him. (This was essentially the very same trick as the one he had shown me the week before.) The magician was blown away and begged me to tell him how the effect worked. I initially refused and I told him I that I didn't need to tell him soething that he already knew and that he had shown me the very same trick the week before. Well, he could not believe that and he strongly denied that that was the case. After about 40 minutes of Socratic hints on my part, I finally revealed the trick's secret and he sat there in stunned silence as he now realized that he had been fooled by something he already knew!! (This was the most valuable lesson he took away from that session.) He now realizes that HE is the magic and that it is his presentation that brings that magic alive and communicates it to the audinece. So, I'm not too concerned wtih the Josh Jay book being released. IMHO, a magician worthy of his craft will take the Josh Jay "starting points" and craft each secret into a personalized work of art--and will, accordingly, fool the he** out of his audience members (including the YouTubers) when he performs such personalized pieces of magic. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
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Gianni Special user WILMINGTON, DE 993 Posts
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[quote]On 2008-11-16 11:34, davidpaul$ wrote:
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On 2008-11-14 16:45, Michael J. Douglas wrote: This always comes down to two camps: those who are OK with publishing magic for the general public, even applauding it, and those against. I am in the "against" camp and agree with the above position. In fact, I can't even see the other point of view. Magic is about mystery. It is ineffective without it. The more the public is fed information about magic, the worse magic is affected. The Masked Magician, etc. all remove mystery from magic. Furthermore, with the complete ease of access to magic through the Internet, why push it out further with books to the general public, ads on TV, etc.? Isn't magic under siege as it is? The more the public can easily see how magic is done, the more difficult it is to interest them in seeing magic performed. I think you're whistling past the graveyard if you don't see it this way. Here's a simple test: if you could snap your fingers and make the Masked Magician, internet magic exposure, etc. go away, would you? That's the real test. Otherwise, many who say they are unfazed by all the magic available to the public are simply realizing that nothing can be done about it and have decided to put on a brave face. Gianni |
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JohnPizzi New user NJ 81 Posts
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Bravo.. Gianni
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rjthomp Regular user Pasadena 199 Posts
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This book is not for the "general public". Its for beginning magicians, and I doubt that many who do not have a sincere interest in magic will bother with it. There are actually many fewer standard effects revealed in this book than there are in say Mark Wilson's course (which sits next to it on the shelf of most bookstores). In fact my only complaint about the book is the choice of the title, which will cause confusion with Wilson's book, and is also not really true. This book is mostly close-up, with a few effects that are appropriate for parlour and kids shows thrown in-and most of these could also be used close-up as well.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts
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Look I'm against exposure as much as anyone, but the logic that its a "general public" book cracks me up. every book in print, every prop, is "general public". I know I never had to take a test.
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