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ThomasBerger Special user 593 Posts |
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My character changes with passing time (and life experience) ... Only if you become a dirty old man!! *wink* But I take your point Paolo, mine is changing too. Cheers. Tom |
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
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On 2008-11-11 18:03, ThomasBerger wrote: Only old, Tom (I was dirty already!)
Then you'll rise right before my eyes, on wings that fill the sky, like a phoenix rising!
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EscapeMaster Loyal user 296 Posts |
>And I am saying it's the wrong way around.
>The stock act should be in the beginning, not the end. No you misunderstand me. I am agreeing with you. Shakespeare came before Olivier didn't he? |
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
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On 2008-11-11 17:57, Lord Of The Horses wrote: If it was not changing then I would worry!!!
No one said it would be easy, or did they?
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gabelson Inner circle conscientious observer 2137 Posts |
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On 2008-11-11 16:19, ThomasBerger wrote: Absolutely true. In fact, when I was a comic I did mostly corporate gigs and cruise ships. The cushy jobs. Very nice $. When I did stand-up, I had the easiest job on the ship, because I only did two shows. But as I edged into my mid-30's, I realized it was probably as far as I was going to go doing a very strong, but "standard" act. Which brings me to... Quote:
You are mentioning famous household names. Actually, odds are some of you WILL be household names. However, if you SAY the odds are that you WON'T be a household name, well, then you most certainly will not. I loathe "The Secret", but I do agree with its core philosophy. I'd bet the bank that every "household name" performer- magician, comedian, actor or mentalist, never thought the odds were that THEY wouldn't be JUST that. For these people, there IS no "Plan B". After 15 years of performing, (and making a very comfortable living), I was unsatisfied with my place in the show business food chain. I had been living MY Plan B. Thomas, you said: "You don't need to be remembered, you only need to be rebooked". I believe every performer SHOULD feel a need to be remembered. To leave their peronal mark, their legacy. In my mid-30's I made a conscious decision to shift gears and do whatever it took TO be remembered, or leave my mark, and I found my way by taking a slightly different, and ultimately far more rewarding path, but still doing the thing I loved to do the most- writing. After coasting for years, making good money, I awoke to realize I wanted much more. "Maintaining" (for me, personally,) is NOT the only metric that counts. If I let it be so, I will never move forward, because it's my nature to be complacent. I'm not speaking for anyone else here, only from my own experience. I am inherently lazy. If re-booking is my raison d'etre, re-booking is the best I will ever get. I DID believe for a decade and a half that being re-booked was the only metric that counted- but then I turned around one day and I was approaching middle age. I hadn't realized the lofty dreams of my teens. It galvanized me; I sprung into action, re-focused, and stopped doing my hacky act. Within one year, I found myself at the Emmy Awards and with a career I had once only dreamed of. Look, I am a slacker by nature. As a performer, I was able to do very little work, get re-booked, and make good money. It was a dream job. But it wasn't THE dream. Re-focus. Re-invent. It's why people always connect Madonna with that expression, "re-invent". Even when she was an unknown, with little money, not a whole lot of talent... probably not a whole lot of anything else... I'd bet the farm that Madonna never gauged success by a "re-booking". Quote:
I choose not to believe this. I did for many years, and for all those years, I DID fail. BUT, every time I REFUSED to accept failure, I have succeeded. 100% of those times, the universe has answered. I am not a confident person by nature; not by a longshot. But if you truly, honestly, believe that there IS NO "Plan B", AND do the footwork, you will succeed. Quote:
-"TRIED to be themselves." As Yoda said, "Do, or do not. There is no "try". (Yes, I'm quoting a puppet). Another great speaker at Mindvention yesterday- Jheff, said that those who do others' material verbatim (in the case of this thread, the gentleman doing Osterlind's act), are working with training wheels- which is ok, but the danger is that if one gets used to using them, there's a good chance the performer will never want to take them off. Say what you want about Angel, Blaine, or yes, even Carrot Top. -To Thine Own's Self Be True. (Man, how unoriginal of me. I'm still a friggin' hack.) |
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PSYSHADOW Regular user England 196 Posts |
I'm intrigued by the various arguements for and against the use of what is, in effect, available commercial material.
I am intending to put myself forward as a mentalist, and have been planning and working towards this aim for some time. Being seven feet tall may (hopefully) allow me to advertse myself as the world's (or at least U.K's) tallest person in the field. I too have much of Richard Osterlinds DVD's, and it's nice to see that he doesn't seem to have a problem with any kind of copying of his act. I like the 'stock-lines' idea. Is there a book of these anywhere ? Some years ago I demonstrated several 'home-grown' effects to a guy who proceeded to offer me work. I had to turn it down because an eyesight problem makes it impossible for me to drive at night, and I cannot afford a driver. Unlike the U.S., I imagine that work here in the U.K. is thin on the ground, and getting to venues will be a continued problem for me. However, I did appreciate the work offered to me by that guy. His name ? - Tony Corinda.
Peace in the World - or - the World in Pieces
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Being a good mentalist should make it quite easy to convince someone to drive you
Perhaps a girlfriend or fellow mentalist?
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PSYSHADOW Regular user England 196 Posts |
Afraid I don't know any other mentalists in my area, and my wife won't let me have a girlfriend - even though she can't drive ! LOL !!! I like the idea though !
Peace in the World - or - the World in Pieces
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
"On stock lines...someone wrote them. Many of these authors are lost to history. Not, however, Emo Phillips who wrote the line, "If you believe in telekenisis, raise my hand!" Now that you know who wrote it, you'll never use it again...right? Right?"
Unless you pay Emo for the rights to do so. Which by the way, Marc Salem did. So where does that leave the rest of us? A whole new ethical dilemna opens up. |
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
There are many public domain lines that are out there though!!! How does one know if its public domain or not???
No one said it would be easy, or did they?
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tmoca Inner circle 1113 Posts |
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On 2008-11-06 05:37, psychicturtle wrote: Not so, typically the clubs pay a blanket license to ASCAP, BMI, etc. That is how they are able to have a DJ, pre-recored music, live bands, etc. Same goes for theaters, banquet halls, etc. |
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gabelson Inner circle conscientious observer 2137 Posts |
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On 2008-11-30 11:29, Bill Cushman wrote: It is interesting, indeed, Bill. Performing stock lines and/or others' material WILL get you work. Hey, you can put together a Stones tribute band with KILLER musicians- no matter how good you are, though, you're still "the fake Stones". You can settle on being a mentalist who performs others' material, a "tribute" mentalist as it were, or strive to be to a significant and memorable one. Mentalists like Max Maven and Derren Brown are originals. They have changed the field, and will not be forgotten. It all depends on how high you set the bar- how far you want to go. That's not to say you will get there, but if you don't try, you'll never know. |
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