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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
With plastic or paper bags both have an environmental and economic impact. What they want you to do is bring your own reusable bags. Think of all the cost associated with the throwaways. With paper trees are cut down and even though they are biodegradable there is still a considerable cost of disposing of them. The solution is not paper or plastic. it is inconveniencing one self by carrying reusable shopping bags.
Consumers are the biggest polluters not industry, we demand disposable everything. The marketing companies know, by making it disposable they will sell more products and that is part of supply and demand. Think about it.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
The big joints give you nothing. Price club, Costco, etc...When you buy 5 lb chunks of cheese and 10 lbs of butter, etc, you get nothing but the shopping cart you used. When you get out to your car you just throw everything in. I never heard anybody ask for a bag...of any kind.
Personally, I don't like "convenience". I park far away from the front door and walk. I don't eat "minute rice", I wait for it to cook. I'm not in a rush and don't need instant approval. I don’t use a microwave, never drink instant coffee and I always take the stairs when available, not the escalator. I'm one of those old school weirdo types! |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
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On 2008-11-10 13:06, Justin Style wrote: Then the tax on plastic bags does not affect you.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
Hmmm...then what am I getting all upset about...lol!
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
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On 2008-11-10 13:06, Justin Style wrote: Well, you're 1/3 right anyhow... :crazy:
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
Not only that, since the accident...I'm half nuts!
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
I don't know why everyone is against the 'immortal' plastic bag, they are much more environmental friendly than paper ever was.
http://savetheplasticbag.com/ -JoeJoe
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
JoeJoe, you are right. The real problem is volume. We just don't need that many bags on our planet. Laziness is simply too cheap.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
You confuse me, if you recycle the plastic bags ... there is zero volume of them.
-JoeJoe
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Hmm. From their site-
Quote: I don't believe there are statistics on what percentage of those bags actually end up in the bin, as opposed to a consumer's trash can. Based on anecdotal evidence, the recycling isn't as effective as they say it is.
Virtually all of the plastic bags deposited in those bins are actually recycled. Quote: A) There's also programs for recycling paper bags- most of the recycling happens in the consumer's own recycle bin. B) Landfills are starting to trap and process methane as a source of electricity.
Decomposing paper in landfills produces methane which is a greenhouse gas with 23 times the heat trapping power of CO2. The website itself even admits that reusable bags are the answer. Now- if we all start using reusable bags, the demand for plastic bags will greatly decrease, and eventually we can phase it out. -Erik
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
I don't think I confuse you at all; I doubt that you believe that all bags are recycled. If 100% of plastic bags were recycled, there would be zero imact on landfill, but there would be expenditure of energy at both ends of the life of each bag.
Of course, a program to increase recycling may be just as effective as a program to discourage use. Maybe charging a bag deposit would work. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
If they stopped making the freaking things, we wouldn't have to waste our valuable time on this subject. We could talk about more pressing matters like, uh, coffee! Yeah, decaf or regular?
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Have to be decaf here. I have been caffeine free for years now.
Kyle
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
How exactly do they make decaf? How do they take the caf out?
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
That is a very good question. Is there like an anti-caf machine? or a de-cafinator? hmmm
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Justin Style Inner circle 2010 Posts |
Are there decaf beans?
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Yeah they are the ones that are asleep all the time. =)
Kyle
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On 2008-11-10 15:34, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: So the problem is not the plastic bag - the problem is the consumer is not recycling/reusing the plastic bag. If you want to put a deposit on something, a deposit on plastic soda bottles would yield much better results, that is a much bigger portion of waste. An entire weeks worth of grocery bags melted down is is still less plastic than 1 bottle of pepsi. I reused my plastic bags pitching magic at the flea market ... even made a joke about, as I bagged their purchase "thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart". I also use them in bathroom wastebaskets. I sometimes store food in them. Great for storing paint-rollers, keeps the paint from drying out overnight so you don't need a new roller the next day. I myself don't hold much faith in re-usable bags. They do have a shelf life (straps break, holes manifest, things get spilled on them) and they are impractical for volume purchases - I have yet to ever see anyone in line at Wal-Mart be able to put all of their groceries in their re-usable bags. Plus they pose a security risk (shoplifters that is). To just stop making plastic bags is a dumb idea. Where do you stop? Plastic garbage bags? What about the plastic bags bread comes wrapped in? Potato chips are in plastic bags too. Should we just ban all plastic? Why not just ban all garbage??? Let's ban coffee cups next!!! Plastic bags are a good thing people take for granted. Banning plastic bags is just a stupid idea for people that want to appear politically correct, and like most politically correct ideas it is based on nonsense. -JoeJoe
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
And while I'm on a rant ... lets starting putting a tax on metal cans too. A lot of consumers don't recycle those either. Food could be put in glass jars that can be re-used, no need to recycle metal that way.
At some point ... you begin to realize ... this six cents a bag is really just another way to raise taxes. It really has nothing to do with the environment what-so-ever. -JoeJoe
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
JoeJoe--How odd that I agree with your premises, but not your conclusions. Taxation is a very efficient way to promote certain types of behaviour. Raising taxes is not necessarily an end in itself.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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