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rmendez Inner circle San Antonio, Texas 1253 Posts |
If you perform with thread, all I can say is this is what you've been wishing for. Just as invisible and 5 times as strong. I perform a hummer (spinning, floating) card routine and can actually use the same thread all day. With traditional thread, I was rewiring once every hour. Now I know why all the reels on the market were wired with Kevlar. You get a generous amount too. I'm stuck on this from now on.
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da5id Loyal user Dublin, Ireland 268 Posts |
What reel do you use?
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trainerjep Loyal user 242 Posts |
Okay...
So, where is this site so I can order it?
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
I have found the kevlar thread to be just as easy to break as regular IT.
Maybe I got a bad batch, but it is shinier than normal IT, and I broke it just trying to get the itr loosened up. I bought the ITR with Kevlar right when it first came out, and like most of the other stuff I have gotten from them, I have been less than satified with it. Their stuff reads soooo good, but somehow doesn't (in my opinion) come close in actual practice. But this one sounded like it met a real need, and I was about to buy an new ITR anyway, so I thought I would give them another shot and get the super strong Kevlar. But now, Not ever again. In the thread forum, there have been many discussions about the good and bad of Kevlar. Check it out (takes 50 posts to get in...). BroDavid
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Mack Magic Loyal user The Burgh' Pittsburgh, PA 268 Posts |
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On 2003-04-22 15:23, trainerjep wrote: Here's the link to the Sorcery Shop(at least the one I know of): http://emagic.safeshopper.com/index.htm?141 I never have used Kevlar thread or ordered from them before so I can't tell you if it's good or not, or if they are a reliable shop to buy from. Hope this helps you in someway. Sincerely, Mack Magic
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Bill Beach Veteran user Nashville, TN 304 Posts |
I have never purchased an ITR directly from The Sorcery Shop, but did contact them directly with some ITR problems. James George, the inventor and owner, answered the phone personally, gave me some very helpful information on ITR care and maintenance, and offered a free replacement ITR if the problem persisted.
I took him up on the exchange offer and promptly received a replacement. On another occasion I sent in an ITR for repair, along with a $5.00 service fee, and again received a new ITR (instead of my old one repaired). I would not hesitate to do business with them in the future. Bill Beach |
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rmendez Inner circle San Antonio, Texas 1253 Posts |
Hello friends. Actually, I don't use nor have I ever tried working with an ITR. I have; however, had wonderful success not to mention a hell of a lot of fun with the LeClair hookup. I picked up my Kevlar from my local magic shop whom to the best of my knowledge obtained it from the Sorcery Shop. I think its great for levitating light weight objects. The thread I have is pretty tough and I've actually tested its durability by levitating items as heavy as a full pack of cigarettes, my lighter and other reasonably sized objects which would have easilly broken conventional thread. I am very pleased with the noticable improvement and will probably never suffer breakage from spinning cards and coins again. Maybe some of the other guys who have had bad luck with it are trying to levitate bowling balls or coconuts?
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da5id Loyal user Dublin, Ireland 268 Posts |
Can anyone supply a review of John Kennedy's Stealth Retractor? It uses "Kevlex" which I assume in kevlar thread.
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Cabrera Special user Seattle 513 Posts |
Once you use the thread to float an object, it takes your magic to another level. The only problem I have is now I've established a reputation, and the thread is not 100% relaible. Therefore I love it and hate it.
"The quilt of life is woven with many different threads"
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rmendez Inner circle San Antonio, Texas 1253 Posts |
I believe if you stick with light weight objects like cards, coins, rolled up bills, etc. or perform simple effects that are not too taxing on the thread itself, you will always be successful. It does have a threshold; however, which must be learned through practice and routining. Remember that it is still only thread and in order for it to remain invisible it must be very thin.
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yosef_dov Loyal user NYC area 242 Posts |
Greetings...
Like so many other things, there do seem to be different "grades" of Kevlar fiber... I got some samples about a year ago for experimenting, and most of them cut themselves (you cross a thread with itself, and *snap*)... I wasn't impressed with the samples I got-- actually, I was surprised at how easy the stuff broke... I would like to try some of the Sorcery thread; I know from owning several of their reels and videos that they continue experimenting and improving if they can, so perhaps James has a source of a good fiber that's different from what others may offer (or different from a batch he got a few months ago...)... Joe |
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
OK so have we all decided who's using what for hummer card?
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rmendez Inner circle San Antonio, Texas 1253 Posts |
I'm sold on Kevlar for hummer card.
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
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OK so have we all decided who's using what for hummer card? Jaxon Thread of course.. Actually, the Kevlar is great for that one too. The Kevlar is a great thread. Especially if you compare it to some of the others out there such as W. Nylon. Every thread has its strengths and weaknesses. If you compare them you'll find that Kevlar is much better then most. It's a nice between the stronger more visible and the weaker more invisible. I use different thread for different tricks. For example, I use the W. Nylon for the floating cigarette (Fearsons), My thread for the floating beer can and Kevlar for the floating rose. I think it's a matter of finding which is better for the effect you're doing. Just think, ten years ago it was kind of a mystery of what invisible thread actually was. You'd find it at magic dealers or pull it out of stockings, but not many magicians knew of W. Nylon or Kevlar. I only mention that because it may seem like a lot of trouble to pick up all these different kinds of thread to do the different effects. But because this knowledge is so commonly known now. Invisible thread isn't very expensive anymore. We can easily buy our thread from fabric stores now days anyway. I've been using the ITR since they came out. I had to adjust to all the changes they made. Some changes where improvements and others seem to make them worse. I do like the kevlar thread in the new ITR's but I don't care for the material they make them out of now. Or the little bead they put on the hole that makes it harder to fix the reel. They're are ways around these things though. Ron Jaxon |
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martyk Loyal user 275 Posts |
Bro David's review recapitulates the negative reviews that I have read elsewhere; I think Genii and/or Magic Mags. Complaints: much shinier (meaning 'visible').
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yosef_dov Loyal user NYC area 242 Posts |
Greets...
I just ordered a 1000 yard spool of black kevlar thread... I'll let y'all know how it is when I get it... Joe Greetings... Just got a spool of Kevlar... upon initial examination I make the following observations: 1) I am too easily excited at the idea of getting something fascinating, and diving to spend the $$$ before doing good research. I have no knowledge of how thread is labeled, rated, packaged, etc... SO 2) I got a spool of "spun bonded Kevlar, Tex 90" whatever that means... it is a rather heavy thread, extremely visible as is... SO 3) I attempt to strip out fibers and discover the main thread is made of 2 threads twisted together (spun bonded??)... each of these threads still being quite visible under various lighting conditions (including an unlit room with shades down on an overcast day... really!)... SO 4) I attempt to strip out strands from one of these threads, and end up with a bunch of fibers.... oh, about an inch long at most, and very fragile-- these little fibers shred easily.... I will continue to attempt to strip out a long strand, if there are any, and let you know... For the time being, don't run out and buy any spools of Kevlar thread unless you learn something about threads and fibers first! Joe |
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lhughes Regular user Canada 151 Posts |
Thanks Yosef for your attempt. You may have saved others from making the same mistake.
Sleightly yours,
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yosef_dov Loyal user NYC area 242 Posts |
More on the Kevlar TEX 90 spun bonded..
The individual threads I unwind are quite strong, but highly visible... I am playing around using these with dancing cane and floating rose routines, but I am not satisfied... I can easily see the thread in mirror... I will video performance under better lighting conditions and see what happens. Perhaps doing an Ultimate Cane routine (with flame) may work to hide the thread... otherwise we'll be sticking with the carpet thread.... Joe |
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
yosef_dov is right,
When using the Ultimate cane (with flame) it psychologically dispels the audience's assumption that it would even be possible for thread to be attached to the cane. To the audience the fire would burn the thread...wouldn't it? Here check out the video, and with the huge flames it is still hard to believe that the flames never come in contact with the thread. http://www.masterofillusions.ca/media/CANE72.wmv Using the fire also creates a special lighted atmosphere which also helps camouflage the thread and misdirect the audience's attention from the thread to the fire, the human eye can't help but focus on the fire. You can't get caught using any type of thread doing your cane this way. P.
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Sean Fields V.I.P. Winnipeg 894 Posts |
Okay, here it is. I just had to put my two cents in here.
yosef_dov, the thread you got is NOT invisible kevlar, I have a spool of it too. It is not to be stripped, but is extremely strong, and perfectly suited to dancing cane and similar effects that need a thicker, esoteric type of thread. Truly invisible kevlar thread is VERY invisible, even more so than standard thread (in my experience). It is still fragile as it is invisible thread, but when compared to standard thread, the strength is noticeable. You can pick up a ridiculous supply of kevlar thread from http://www.wizardcraft.com for like, 6 bucks. You get a 10 foot string wrapped around a card. The string has like, 30 strands of thread in it. That is essentially 300 feet of kevlar INVISIBLE thread for 6 bucks. Not bad at all. Sean |
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