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I am the best magician.

In hip hop music there is the G.O.A.T. concept. It stands for "Greatest Of All Time" and there is the general idea that as a hip hop artist you want to think of yourself as such and work hard to make it as true as you can. Of course in Art is impossible ta have an objective "best," but the idea is if everyone strives for this it elevates the art. Lil Wayne addressed this eloquently in a spoken word piece on his excellent Dedication 2 mixtape. I think this mindset largely accounts for the vibrancy and import of hip hop in popular culture.

So obviously I am not the "best" magician. Disregarding the past masters, I can think of many, many contemporary magicians who are unequivocally better then me - but I'm going to go with it anyway, hoping this will push me to get better and better, and I am starting with section of the fora.

Let's put our money where our mouths are - I challenge anyone here to prove themselves a better magician than I. This could be settled by an informal contest, or entering contests at magic conventions, or even having video judged, though I think it would be much better suited in person.

This especially applies to the gentlemen getting so hot and bothered by my opinions on here - show me why yours are better.
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See...then this is where we differ. I don't give two cents about what other magicians think of me, or even being the "best" magician. TBH, it's almost impossible to decide who the "best" magician is, since there are so many categories of magic. David Kaye isn't going to be as good at working a restaurant as Paul Green. And Paul Green can never be the type of magician Lance Burton is. And Lance Burton doesn't do anything remotely close to what David Blaine does.

Some magicians are great technically, yet can't hold an audience for more than 2 minutes. Some magicians do the very basic of sleights, yet can properly entertain an audience for an hour with nothing more than a deck of cards and a TT. Being the best is a very loose term IMO. Smile

P.S. What's the point in proving someone's opinion is better than yours?? An opinion only matters if you let it. Otherwise, they're meaningless.
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How do you judge whos a better magician, we are entertainers, we don't spar for bragging rights, tommy cooper was a magician of average standard, think you could entertain a crowd better than he could? doubt it, better sleight of hand maybe but do layman care about what they do not know?

ive no doubt you are a talented and creative magician, maybe 1 for the future as well, but don't get ahead of yourself, nobody likes arrogance
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On 2008-11-15 17:53, Purist wrote:
ive no doubt you are a talented and creative magician, maybe 1 for the future as well, but don't get ahead of yourself, nobody likes arrogance


Especially us goats!
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I hate hip hop. It hasn't advanced as an art form in 20 years.

Emulating hip hop would be an exercise in stagnation.

Therefore, in the interest of encouraging a vibrant and progressive magic culture, I concede that Natanel is a better magician than I.
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On 2008-11-15 14:45, Natanel wrote:
In hip hop music there is the G.O.A.T. concept. It stands for "Greatest Of All Time" and there is the general idea that as a hip hop artist you want to think of yourself as such and work hard to make it as true as you can. Of course in Art is impossible ta have an objective "best," but the idea is if everyone strives for this it elevates the art. Lil Wayne addressed this eloquently in a spoken word piece on his excellent Dedication 2 mixtape. I think this mindset largely accounts for the vibrancy and import of hip hop in popular culture.


That must be why Kanye West thinks he's "the voice of this generation". If that's true, I pity the generation to which he refers.
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On 2008-11-15 17:53, Purist wrote:
ive no doubt you are a talented and creative magician, maybe 1 for the future as well, but don't get ahead of yourself, nobody likes arrogance


Especially us goats!


nice mullet
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All I can say is, there's not a single post in this thread that understood the point Natanel was trying to make.

Nat, I think you bring up a good topic. It's too bad nobodies picking up on it.
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All I can say is, there's not a single post in this thread that understood the point Natanel was trying to make.

Nat, I think you bring up a good topic. It's too bad nobodies picking up on it.
I think some people got the point, which was in his hip hop analogy ... I just don't know that anyone agreed with it.
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I hate hip hop. It hasn't advanced as an art form in 20 years.

Emulating hip hop would be an exercise in stagnation.

Therefore, in the interest of encouraging a vibrant and progressive magic culture, I concede that Natanel is a better magician than I.


Oh it has evolved, but in a bad way. Much more terrible now.
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On 2008-11-15 18:15, Purist wrote:
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On 2008-11-15 17:55, gaddy wrote:
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On 2008-11-15 17:53, Purist wrote:
ive no doubt you are a talented and creative magician, maybe 1 for the future as well, but don't get ahead of yourself, nobody likes arrogance


Especially us goats!


nice mullet


nice bald spot!
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On 2008-11-15 18:06, Magicbarry wrote:
I hate hip hop. It hasn't advanced as an art form in 20 years.

Emulating hip hop would be an exercise in stagnation.

Therefore, in the interest of encouraging a vibrant and progressive magic culture, I concede that Natanel is a better magician than I.


Oh it has evolved, but in a bad way. Much more terrible now.
I agree that it's worse ... though admittedly, that might be a subjective opinion. Since some people still like it, or are discovering it and enjoying it, presumably there are those who think it hasn't deteriorated.

Personally, I'm not sure that it's evolved in any meaningful manner, for better or worse. Compare it, for example, to New Wave, which by the mid-80s sounded completely different from what it was in the late 70s. Early New Wave was much closer to punk. Later New Wave was commercial, bubble-gum pop. That's a negative evolution. A positive evolution would be rock and roll, which underwent massive change from the 50s through the 60s.

Hip hop's "evolution," or lack thereof, is roughly equivalent to the evolution of ska, which pretty much never changes, except on a superficial level. Both were very limited music forms to begin with.

That's my personal take, anyway.
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On 2008-11-15 14:45, Natanel wrote:
I am the best magician.

In hip hop music there is the G.O.A.T. concept. It stands for "Greatest Of All Time" and there is the general idea that as a hip hop artist you want to think of yourself as such and work hard to make it as true as you can. Of course in Art is impossible ta have an objective "best," but the idea is if everyone strives for this it elevates the art. Lil Wayne addressed this eloquently in a spoken word piece on his excellent Dedication 2 mixtape. I think this mindset largely accounts for the vibrancy and import of hip hop in popular culture.

So obviously I am not the "best" magician. Disregarding the past masters, I can think of many, many contemporary magicians who are unequivocally better then me - but I'm going to go with it anyway, hoping this will push me to get better and better, and I am starting with section of the fora.

Let's put our money where our mouths are - I challenge anyone here to prove themselves a better magician than I. This could be settled by an informal contest, or entering contests at magic conventions, or even having video judged, though I think it would be much better suited in person.

This especially applies to the gentlemen getting so hot and bothered by my opinions on here - show me why yours are better.


Wow you really don't get it do you?

Magic is not about who's nads are bigger ... It is about the betterment of magic. Magicians helping magicians.

With that said I do understand your position on various topics, and agree to a certain point. It is the pompous approach I think many of us find repugnant. Your use of fashion to position yourself as an authority, then you post pictures of questionable fashion faux Pas. Using high brow language to support a position when plain english would suffice. Using Art and Hip Hop analogies to create a hyper-sense of being ... well just ain't cutting it.

Contest? Contest are something I use to create buzz, no more no less. The prize and regard of such is usually little to no value. I have collected a few. I am more impressed with someone who can balance their work life and the family life and not sabotage or sacrifice either to make money.

There is a big difference between technical knowledge and finesse.

My short resume for the last 35 years or so in magic. What is not here is the reactions of the thousands I perform for each year.

Contests
2008 TBMC Stage Competition 3rd place
2008 Phoenix, AZ “International Stage Balloon Competition” (2nd Place)
2007 Shanghai, China “Ambassador of Fun” KimTom International Clown Festival
2007 Tampa Bay Strolling Magician of the Year
2006 Tampa Bay Stage Magician of the Year
2004 Tampa Bay Stage Magician of the Year
2004 & 2005 Two Time Florida Close-up Magician State Champion
2003 Miami Magic on the Beach (1st Place)
2003 TBMC Judge’s Choice Award
2003 TBMC People’s Choice Award
2002 IBM Most Original Strolling Performer
2001 TBMC Judge’s Choice Award
1991 Florida State Magician’s Association Best Comedy Act
1989 Finalist Smirnoff’s Hot Shots of Comedy Competition
1987 Finalist Great Florida Laff Off


Education and Experience
2007 & 2008 Jeff McBride Master Class Attendee
2007 Headline Presenter @ Twist & Shout Specializing in Marketing and Balloon Magic.
2005 Headline Presenter BAMM Balloons and Magic Mania Virginia Beach VA
2004 Attendee MAGIC!LIVE Las Vegas NV
2002 Attendee KIDABRA Pigeon Forge TN
1999 & 1998 Staff Comedy College Las Vegas NV
1999 International Association of Family Entertainers Member
1996 Graduate Professional Performers Workshop Magic Castle Hollywood CA
1996 Graduate Professional Performers Mentoring Puerto Vallarta Mexico
1994-1996 ComedySportz Improv Troupe
1985-1993 8 years Stand-up comedy
7 years in USAF Security Specialist

Products on the market:
My Bunny Daryl
Twinkle ... twinkle
Bad to the Balloon #1 & #2

That is my resume' .... I have little interest in a urinating contest over youtube. I hope this clarifies my position well. Many others here have equally impressive credentials, many have even more. I won't say who. Yes I have disagreed with many here. It is the way you handle it that matters.

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Hip hop has not evolved! Hip hop is as much evidence of divine creation as anything else in this world.

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On 2008-11-16 00:12, Bad to the Balloon wrote:
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On 2008-11-15 14:45, Natanel wrote:
I am the best magician.

In hip hop music there is the G.O.A.T. concept. It stands for "Greatest Of All Time" and there is the general idea that as a hip hop artist you want to think of yourself as such and work hard to make it as true as you can. Of course in Art is impossible ta have an objective "best," but the idea is if everyone strives for this it elevates the art. Lil Wayne addressed this eloquently in a spoken word piece on his excellent Dedication 2 mixtape. I think this mindset largely accounts for the vibrancy and import of hip hop in popular culture.

So obviously I am not the "best" magician. Disregarding the past masters, I can think of many, many contemporary magicians who are unequivocally better then me - but I'm going to go with it anyway, hoping this will push me to get better and better, and I am starting with section of the fora.

Let's put our money where our mouths are - I challenge anyone here to prove themselves a better magician than I. This could be settled by an informal contest, or entering contests at magic conventions, or even having video judged, though I think it would be much better suited in person.

This especially applies to the gentlemen getting so hot and bothered by my opinions on here - show me why yours are better.


Wow you really don't get it do you?

Magic is not about who's nads are bigger ... It is about the betterment of magic. Magicians helping magicians.

With that said I do understand your position on various topics, and agree to a certain point. It is the pompous approach I think many of us find repugnant. Your use of fashion to position yourself as an authority, then you post pictures of questionable fashion faux Pas. Using high brow language to support a position when plain english would suffice. Using Art and Hip Hop analogies to create a hyper-sense of being ... well just ain't cutting it.

Contest? Contest are something I use to create buzz, no more no less. The prize and regard of such is usually little to no value. I have collected a few. I am more impressed with someone who can balance their work life and the family life and not sabotage or sacrifice either to make money.

There is a big difference between technical knowledge and finesse.

My short resume for the last 35 years or so in magic. What is not here is the reactions of the thousands I perform for each year.

Contests
2008 TBMC Stage Competition 3rd place
2008 Phoenix, AZ “International Stage Balloon Competition” (2nd Place)
2007 Shanghai, China “Ambassador of Fun” KimTom International Clown Festival
2007 Tampa Bay Strolling Magician of the Year
2006 Tampa Bay Stage Magician of the Year
2004 Tampa Bay Stage Magician of the Year
2004 & 2005 Two Time Florida Close-up Magician State Champion
2003 Miami Magic on the Beach (1st Place)
2003 TBMC Judge’s Choice Award
2003 TBMC People’s Choice Award
2002 IBM Most Original Strolling Performer
2001 TBMC Judge’s Choice Award
1991 Florida State Magician’s Association Best Comedy Act
1989 Finalist Smirnoff’s Hot Shots of Comedy Competition
1987 Finalist Great Florida Laff Off


Education and Experience
2007 & 2008 Jeff McBride Master Class Attendee
2007 Headline Presenter @ Twist & Shout Specializing in Marketing and Balloon Magic.
2005 Headline Presenter BAMM Balloons and Magic Mania Virginia Beach VA
2004 Attendee MAGIC!LIVE Las Vegas NV
2002 Attendee KIDABRA Pigeon Forge TN
1999 & 1998 Staff Comedy College Las Vegas NV
1999 International Association of Family Entertainers Member
1996 Graduate Professional Performers Workshop Magic Castle Hollywood CA
1996 Graduate Professional Performers Mentoring Puerto Vallarta Mexico
1994-1996 ComedySportz Improv Troupe
1985-1993 8 years Stand-up comedy
7 years in USAF Security Specialist

Products on the market:
My Bunny Daryl
Twinkle ... twinkle
Bad to the Balloon #1 & #2

That is my resume' .... I have little interest in a urinating contest over youtube. I hope this clarifies my position well. Many others here have equally impressive credentials, many have even more. I won't say who. Yes I have disagreed with many here. It is the way you handle it that matters.

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I'd say you are definitely a better magician than Nate...

In every conceivable way.

Except possibly your sense of fashion...

Of course what do I know, sportin' a mullet and all!
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Whilst talking about hip hop,apparantly Eminem has fallen down the stairs.....he`s had to have a hip hoperation Smile
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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Way back, when I was still in High School, our marching band "teacher"(he was an economics teacher) had no music training. He couldn't play any instruments and he couldn't read music. He listened to a lot of music and was very well "educated" on who composed what and knew very well what things had to sound like. We won our regional competition 5 years in a row and made it to the nationals twice by winning the district competition.
He wasn't really interested in moving to anotherr school for the sake of working with the marching band, but even if he wanted to he would not have been empployed in that capacity because he couldn't read or play anything.
My point is that while it may be fun to have a competition, it shows nothing about your knowledge of magic or where you get your opinions from. Competitions measure how well you can plan and perform a 10 minute routine. Real life is a little different. We tend to judge people on results if we want to be associated with winners.
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