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Natanel Special user 739 Posts 
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I am the best magician.
In hip hop music there is the G.O.A.T. concept. It stands for "Greatest Of All Time" and there is the general idea that as a hip hop artist you want to think of yourself as such and work hard to make it as true as you can. Of course in Art is impossible ta have an objective "best," but the idea is if everyone strives for this it elevates the art. Lil Wayne addressed this eloquently in a spoken word piece on his excellent Dedication 2 mixtape. I think this mindset largely accounts for the vibrancy and import of hip hop in popular culture. So obviously I am not the "best" magician. Disregarding the past masters, I can think of many, many contemporary magicians who are unequivocally better then me - but I'm going to go with it anyway, hoping this will push me to get better and better, and I am starting with section of the fora. Let's put our money where our mouths are - I challenge anyone here to prove themselves a better magician than I. This could be settled by an informal contest, or entering contests at magic conventions, or even having video judged, though I think it would be much better suited in person. This especially applies to the gentlemen getting so hot and bothered by my opinions on here - show me why yours are better.
People who work for Theory 11: Do you want a young guy without a stupid gelled haircut or eurotrash jeans for your videos? PM me.
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Magic_Steve Inner circle Maryland 1476 Posts
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See...then this is where we differ. I don't give two cents about what other magicians think of me, or even being the "best" magician. TBH, it's almost impossible to decide who the "best" magician is, since there are so many categories of magic. David Kaye isn't going to be as good at working a restaurant as Paul Green. And Paul Green can never be the type of magician Lance Burton is. And Lance Burton doesn't do anything remotely close to what David Blaine does.
Some magicians are great technically, yet can't hold an audience for more than 2 minutes. Some magicians do the very basic of sleights, yet can properly entertain an audience for an hour with nothing more than a deck of cards and a TT. Being the best is a very loose term IMO. 
P.S. What's the point in proving someone's opinion is better than yours?? An opinion only matters if you let it. Otherwise, they're meaningless. |
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts
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How do you judge whos a better magician, we are entertainers, we don't spar for bragging rights, tommy cooper was a magician of average standard, think you could entertain a crowd better than he could? doubt it, better sleight of hand maybe but do layman care about what they do not know?
ive no doubt you are a talented and creative magician, maybe 1 for the future as well, but don't get ahead of yourself, nobody likes arrogance
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3319 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 17:53, Purist wrote: Especially us goats!
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Cliffg37 Inner circle Long Beach, CA 2492 Posts
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Some magicians are much better at self promotion than I am.
Magic is like Science,
Both are fun if you do it right! |
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Magicbarry Loyal user Toronto 276 Posts
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I hate hip hop. It hasn't advanced as an art form in 20 years.
Emulating hip hop would be an exercise in stagnation. Therefore, in the interest of encouraging a vibrant and progressive magic culture, I concede that Natanel is a better magician than I. |
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2677 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 14:45, Natanel wrote: That must be why Kanye West thinks he's "the voice of this generation". If that's true, I pity the generation to which he refers. |
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 17:55, gaddy wrote: nice mullet
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts
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All I can say is, there's not a single post in this thread that understood the point Natanel was trying to make.
Nat, I think you bring up a good topic. It's too bad nobodies picking up on it. |
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts
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Goat was 1st used for muhammed ali
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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Magicbarry Loyal user Toronto 276 Posts
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Quote: I think some people got the point, which was in his hip hop analogy ... I just don't know that anyone agreed with it.
On 2008-11-15 18:19, Cohiba wrote: |
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Pauldela Special user U.K 882 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 18:06, Magicbarry wrote: Oh it has evolved, but in a bad way. Much more terrible now. |
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts
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I like goat cheese. Must be the better plants up high on the hills and the four-chambered stomach unique to GOAT.
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3319 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 18:15, Purist wrote: nice bald spot!
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Magicbarry Loyal user Toronto 276 Posts
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Quote: I agree that it's worse ... though admittedly, that might be a subjective opinion. Since some people still like it, or are discovering it and enjoying it, presumably there are those who think it hasn't deteriorated.
On 2008-11-15 18:58, Pauldela wrote: Personally, I'm not sure that it's evolved in any meaningful manner, for better or worse. Compare it, for example, to New Wave, which by the mid-80s sounded completely different from what it was in the late 70s. Early New Wave was much closer to punk. Later New Wave was commercial, bubble-gum pop. That's a negative evolution. A positive evolution would be rock and roll, which underwent massive change from the 50s through the 60s. Hip hop's "evolution," or lack thereof, is roughly equivalent to the evolution of ska, which pretty much never changes, except on a superficial level. Both were very limited music forms to begin with. That's my personal take, anyway. |
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Bad to the Balloon Inner circle Clearwater Florida 2116 Posts
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On 2008-11-15 14:45, Natanel wrote: Wow you really don't get it do you? Magic is not about who's nads are bigger ... It is about the betterment of magic. Magicians helping magicians. With that said I do understand your position on various topics, and agree to a certain point. It is the pompous approach I think many of us find repugnant. Your use of fashion to position yourself as an authority, then you post pictures of questionable fashion faux Pas. Using high brow language to support a position when plain english would suffice. Using Art and Hip Hop analogies to create a hyper-sense of being ... well just ain't cutting it. Contest? Contest are something I use to create buzz, no more no less. The prize and regard of such is usually little to no value. I have collected a few. I am more impressed with someone who can balance their work life and the family life and not sabotage or sacrifice either to make money. There is a big difference between technical knowledge and finesse. My short resume for the last 35 years or so in magic. What is not here is the reactions of the thousands I perform for each year. Contests 2008 TBMC Stage Competition 3rd place 2008 Phoenix, AZ “International Stage Balloon Competition” (2nd Place) 2007 Shanghai, China “Ambassador of Fun” KimTom International Clown Festival 2007 Tampa Bay Strolling Magician of the Year 2006 Tampa Bay Stage Magician of the Year 2004 Tampa Bay Stage Magician of the Year 2004 & 2005 Two Time Florida Close-up Magician State Champion 2003 Miami Magic on the Beach (1st Place) 2003 TBMC Judge’s Choice Award 2003 TBMC People’s Choice Award 2002 IBM Most Original Strolling Performer 2001 TBMC Judge’s Choice Award 1991 Florida State Magician’s Association Best Comedy Act 1989 Finalist Smirnoff’s Hot Shots of Comedy Competition 1987 Finalist Great Florida Laff Off Education and Experience 2007 & 2008 Jeff McBride Master Class Attendee 2007 Headline Presenter @ Twist & Shout Specializing in Marketing and Balloon Magic. 2005 Headline Presenter BAMM Balloons and Magic Mania Virginia Beach VA 2004 Attendee MAGIC!LIVE Las Vegas NV 2002 Attendee KIDABRA Pigeon Forge TN 1999 & 1998 Staff Comedy College Las Vegas NV 1999 International Association of Family Entertainers Member 1996 Graduate Professional Performers Workshop Magic Castle Hollywood CA 1996 Graduate Professional Performers Mentoring Puerto Vallarta Mexico 1994-1996 ComedySportz Improv Troupe 1985-1993 8 years Stand-up comedy 7 years in USAF Security Specialist Products on the market: My Bunny Daryl Twinkle ... twinkle Bad to the Balloon #1 & #2 That is my resume' .... I have little interest in a urinating contest over youtube. I hope this clarifies my position well. Many others here have equally impressive credentials, many have even more. I won't say who. Yes I have disagreed with many here. It is the way you handle it that matters. Read more type less...
Mark Byrne
AKA Mark the Balloon Guy As seen on the TODAY SHOW www.balloonguy.net Creator of Bad to the Balloon DVD series Go to my store: http://tinyurl.com/Bad2theBalloon |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1064 Posts
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Hip hop has not evolved! Hip hop is as much evidence of divine creation as anything else in this world.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3319 Posts
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On 2008-11-16 00:12, Bad to the Balloon wrote: I'd say you are definitely a better magician than Nate... In every conceivable way. Except possibly your sense of fashion... Of course what do I know, sportin' a mullet and all!
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts
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Whilst talking about hip hop,apparantly Eminem has fallen down the stairs.....he`s had to have a hip hoperation
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts
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Way back, when I was still in High School, our marching band "teacher"(he was an economics teacher) had no music training. He couldn't play any instruments and he couldn't read music. He listened to a lot of music and was very well "educated" on who composed what and knew very well what things had to sound like. We won our regional competition 5 years in a row and made it to the nationals twice by winning the district competition.
He wasn't really interested in moving to anotherr school for the sake of working with the marching band, but even if he wanted to he would not have been empployed in that capacity because he couldn't read or play anything. My point is that while it may be fun to have a competition, it shows nothing about your knowledge of magic or where you get your opinions from. Competitions measure how well you can plan and perform a 10 minute routine. Real life is a little different. We tend to judge people on results if we want to be associated with winners. |
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