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On 2008-12-19 14:35, Krazyjay wrote:
So how do you know who ripped it off from who. Is this a new method or technique. Its like the classic pass there are a lot of dvds and books out there on the pass. Only one came up with it, so why are they aloud to make money off there idea. How do we know the second party didn't come up with this 15 years before Andrew did.


I've been tracking this since Andrew announced he was releasing it, I've read everything here, even commented on the other party’ video (they were posted in this very thread). Then I read the emails that were provided where David said he would not bring it to market, dated the day before he marketed his version.

Could Ustaad have developed his version on his own? Sure, he is very clever. But the fact remains that it appeared here after Andrew announced his, and after Andrew posted his video. Any ethical manufacturer would have honored his own words and not attempted to go to market and undercut another who had made the announcement and demonstrated the effect. It appears that not only had David Mann gone back on his word of not putting out "knock off" but is attempting to undercut Andrew on price and take advantage of the interest that Andrew created with his creation and work.

It is all here in green and white.

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On 2008-12-19 14:35, Krazyjay wrote:
So how do you know who ripped it off from who. Is this a new method or technique. Its like the classic pass there are a lot of dvds and books out there on the pass. Only one came up with it, so why are they aloud to make money off there idea. How do we know the second party didn't come up with this 15 years before Andrew did.


I've been tracking this since Andrew announced he was releasing it, I've read everything here, even commented on the other party’ video (they were posted in this very thread). Then I read the emails that were provided where David said he would not bring it to market, dated the day before he marketed his version.

Could Ustaad have developed his version on his own? Sure, he is very clever. But the fact remains that it appeared here after Andrew announced his, and after Andrew posted his video. Any ethical manufacturer would have honored his own words and not attempted to go to market and undercut another who had made the announcement and demonstrated the effect. It appears that not only had David Mann gone back on his word of not putting out "knock off" but is attempting to undercut Andrew on price and take advantage of the interest that Andrew created with his creation and work.

It is all here in green and white.

Tony Iacoviello


that's all I was trying to say, that Ustaad could have came up with independently.
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Posted: Wed, Dec 17th, 2008 - 12:40 PM (EST)

Thanks for getting back with me so quickly. I will hold off on our release until I review the Dvd. I am not so sure our methods are the same, but I look forward to seeing the DVD. If our methods are the same, I will bow out and give a good review of your product.
Thanks for your time,
Dave


The DVD will be out next week, "Dave" has yet to see it...

His product is on the market, so what does that make of his word or his ethics?

At this point, one can only draw one conclusion.

Sad!

Tony
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I have always respected Ustaad and definitely pay attention when he posts. I agree that he could of come up with this on his own...but again we only have the proof that his video came out AFTER the video of Gerard.

David Mann on the other hand, I don't trust at all. I was planning on releasing one of my effects with him in the past, but something about him just struck me as odd, so I decided not to. Then after all the posts about Precision Magic and there business, my instincts we're right.

We already have proof above in PM's which state that Dave wouldn't release a knock off and then only a day later this is released. Based on that alone I think I know who I trust more. Andrew is a brilliant guy and definitely deserves all the support that he's receiving.

Gerard took this PK effect and literally made it real. All the small touches that he teaches make this effect about as authentic as you can get. Congrats and good luck with the release.

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The obvious response from each of us is: support original creators.


Andrew is a gentleman indeed. Best wishes on the release.


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Such is the curse of the hype.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Such is the curse of the hype.


No, the curse of disreputable people!
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Andrew is a gentleman indeed. all I was trying to say, that Ustaad could have came up with it independently. I do think its wrong what there are doing. I know in my first post I sounded like I was supporting this unethical crime. Im not

My Best
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Thank you for saying that.

In this business, and in life, one is only as good as one's word.
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Thank you for saying that.

In this business, and in life, one is only as good as one's word.


Very true Tony. I have no problem stating the truth.

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Jeremy

My comment was not meant for what you said, but rather the situation this thread is about. Sorry if I was not clear about that.

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Hi All,

WOW! What a thread, what controversy!

As many of you may or may not know Andrew is a good friend of mine and someone I am proud to call my friend. We live in the same city and I am happy to say Andrew usually blows me away with a new idea every time I see him. He is a great guy, very very clever thinker and always willing to share and teach and is never too self absorbed to listen & learn from others.

When Andrew showed me Energy Bill I realized I was seeing another one of those unfound gems that Andrew seems to discover on a regular basis. What you have to understand about Andrew Gerard is that he is a non stop machine when it comes to creating & developing magic. He thinks on a level that very few creators do. Part of this is due to the fact that this man reads and studies our art 24 hours a day, he is a walking encyclopedia and a wealth of knowledge.

Now I can not judge Ustaasd's integrity and honesty when it comes to his version of this particular effect as I do not know the man and have no knowledge of when or where he discovered this principal. However I will say this! Both Precision Magic & Ustaad approached Andrew with legitimate questions to which he gave them legitimate and honest answers, he even offered to send them DVD's, why? Because Andrew is a gentleman.

While I have no doubt that the exact same concepts can be created by two or more people worlds apart I do know that our art survives partly because of an unwritten code of ethics. A code of ethics that both Ustaad & Precision Magic both seem to be fully aware of through their emails with Andrew. It is quite evident to me through this thread alone that Andrew's intent was to commercially market this effect, something that Ustaad it seems had no intention of doing.

This unfortunate circumstance has happened to me in the past and let me tell you this. When you have a piece of work that you are passionate about get taken from under your feet it is sickening!!!

I for one will not be supporting Precision Magic's version of this effect and I urge others to do the same. I believe that you will be missing out on a wealth of knowledge if you don't purchase Andrew's version.

Just my thoughts

MJ
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Hi This is an Important announcement for those that are Pre Ordering Energy Bill
from me....
Included with the first 100 signed copies I am including an extremely valuable bonus manuscript of one of the most powerful effect I have created.

For those that receive it, I don't have to tell you to keep it for yourself I know you will... its that good.


*I have gained amazing press from this one effect.
*I have performed this with someone half way around the world (a Russion reserch scientist on a government ship)
* You will not believe how impossible this effect is when you read it
* You will not believe how strong this effect is until you try it.


This effect will be released, in 2009, in limited quantity. There will be no description or demo of this effect.

I am doing this to let you know I genuinely appreciate your support.


Despite all this nonsense, this is the best X-mas ever for me and my family...and here is why. ..My Mother in law has had Cancer for 2 years now, and 6 months of treatment.
Today, her result show she is cancer free, and will be around for a while, a long while.

Thanks again,
Andrew Gerard
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You've driven Gerard to insanity. I know the effect he is talking about and I thought he was going to put it out separately and at a high price.

I can't wait until the lucky few get it... then I can start seeing the ads for this new remote viewing effect that they "created" many years before.

Greg
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Again, Thanks to Sean, Matt, Greg,Tony & Tony,ipe, and even Krazy jay...

I am overwhelmed by the messages from you guys that have been through similar experiences in life. It really puts things into perspective doesn't it !

There is a chance I may be sending out your pre orders early, appearently If I bribe the guy doing my pre order dvd's He may have them on MONDAY.

I will find out tomorrow evening and if so, X-Mas may come early.

truly,
AG

PS Smilelease don't harrass Greg Arce to find out the effect only known as "X".




If Anyone still want to pre order Energy Bill from me please email me at Andrewsmagic@telus.net to do so. You will recieve the "X" effect as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9InHYU0l8 Video Clip
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Andrew Gerard is one of the great creative minds of out time. His integrity is as great as his talent.

Andrew, congratulations on YOUR release and the blessed news about your Mother-In-Law!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"

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Gerard is not only a good friend but also one of the great minds of our art. Energy Bill will be one of the greatest effects of 2009. Don't miss it. Support creators!
Thanks for sharing this with the community Andrew!
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Those of you that get this will be mighty happy campers...and you can take that to the bank!

Nathan
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Money talks, "other stuff" walks.

As previously mentioned, this is one of those rare moments where I purchase something without waiting for reviews or anything like that. THAT is the confidence I have in AG's work.

My order is in. No reverse engineering, guessing how it's done, coming up with "my own" version after watching his demo.

Might I recommend the same to some of you?
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Can David Mann and his posse be banned already for having ripped off via what appears to be theft, selling 1/2 finished goods, and other nefarious activities from the MC, and that anyone with integrety never buy from the guy again?

Go AG go! You rock!!!!

My Shroedinger's cat took out the Omega reel and stuck some pins in it... wonder if that will do anything...
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