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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Well, I've been wrong before in my life, so it's not the first time.
I watched a special a couple nights ago on the discovery channel, I believe, about JFK's assassination. A new one, it seems. I think it was titled inside the presidential limousine, or something close to that. New tests were conducted. Anyway, I've long been a proponent of the fatal shot coming from the grassy knoll. But what I saw on this program totally blew me out of the water. I am now convinced the fatal shot came from the T.S.B.D. and believe me, I am not an easy one to convince. I have been intransigent on this issue for years, but this was by far the most objective, thoroughly compelling evidence I could imagine. Now who fired the shot? Was it Oswald? That I'm not so sure of. In fact, I doubt it. But I'm just convinced now that it originated from that 6'th floor window. And whoever fired it certainly did not work alone.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Josh the Superfluous Inner circle The man of 1881 Posts |
It sounds like you went through a conspiracy conversion.
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
I kind of agree. I still think Oswald was set-up as a patsy.He may have had a military badge for marksmanship..., but IMO he wasn't expert enough to pull it off.
Just look at the huge scope the world famous expert on the show was using. The rifle LHO supposedly used was a cheap mail order piece. My belief is that the fatal shot came from behind, but from another window or location.., Oswald's misses probably accounted for the other shots heard. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Why not Oswald? He was a trained USMC rifleman and there is such a thing as luck when shooting. The shot wasn't impossible by any means.
What made you change your mind? |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Who made the fatal shot has never been as important, as who called the shot and all the forensic evidence in the world is not going to help you determine that.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Excellent point Tom.
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thorndyke Regular user Canada 147 Posts |
Sometime afterwards, shell casings were found on the roof of another building facing Dealy plaza. Forgive me for not remembering which book mentioned this, but I let all of my JFK assassination conspiracy books go some time ago as I got tired of it all.
The only thing I find interesting nowadays is the issue of CYA affecting the investigation of the shooting. This most likely contributes to the conspiracy machine as evasive records raise red flags for anybody. My verdict: conspiracy in the shooting - possible but not proven. Conspiracy of investigators protecting fellow operatives who failed to safeguard the President- most probable, but unprovable at this remove. |
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts |
County Records Building.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Guys, let me interject here.
I want to put forth a theory that I wrote a paper on in college. Not going to get into an opinion as to whether Oswald or the Mob did it but follow me here. I will sum up. When a horrible thing happens we want things to be equal. We almost think justice means equal. Think of lady justice standing there with her scale and her blindfold. We want the sides to weigh equally. Now for a terrible example think of the Hollocost. The WORST crime in history. And on the other side of the scale you have the Nazi's. The WORST villian in history. So if you have each one of them on a scale, you have a sort of "equal weight". It is in balance. It makes at least sense that way. (the act makes no sense, but it has "proportion" to it) Now do this with Kennedy and Oswald. Kennedy was the brightest light in the world at the time. He was a tremendously popular president, people saw him as a guiding light. Put him on one end of the scale. Now on the other end you have that wretched waif Oswald. By all accounts a terrible human being, just a loser drifter. How could this man change the winds of history by himself? The scale does not balance. So the tendency is to try to add weight to Oswald. A conspiracy will do the trick nicely. Take Lincon as an example people like to compare. There WAS a conspiracy with many conspirators and such. Went VERY high in the Confederacy. So without taking a position on the obvious, I think this is why conspiracy theories are popular.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Just think the same political party was behind both, Lincoln and Kennedy’s assignations.
The CIA’s job is to protect the President of the United States and they did, just not the one that was serving at the time of the hit.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
The CIA? The Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the president. I don't follow your point Tom, can you share?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I thought it was the treasury department, (secret service) who do protection detail. CIA is more infomation junkies.
Danny Doyle
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
They are the Treasury Department, they are mostly into the counterfieting of money. When I was in the service then VP Bush was in Africa and he had a couple Secret Service guys with him, a lil' bald dude and a huge guy who took bullets. I thought it was cool cuz the lil' dude wore a shirt with tennis rackets that said Secret Service under 'em.
Set us straight Tom! |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
I might have seen the same thing, daffy. It showed how connoly (sp?) was sitting down and to the left (in front of JFk), so the magic bullet theory is possible. Instead of a regular car, with the back seat directly facing the front seat (back of seat), the limo had a different design.
Howard Hunt was mentioned in several articles in rolling stone several years ago about the assignation.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
I think the problem all along was how the Warren commission conducted the investigation. I do believe that Oswald acted alone (always have). For all intent Oswald blew his first two shots. A "real" sharpshooter would have vanished after one perfect shot. Remember the fatal shot was made after the limousine was further down the road; which was pretty much a straight line.
Now go out into the real word (far away from "truther's") and develop the logical part of your brain. The only way to keep a conspiracy secret is to act alone (ark, ark) ... ask Carly Simon.
POOF!
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
Peter Jennings did a special on the 40th Anniversary year of the Kennedy assassination that basically proved the same thing. All three shots -- and that's all there ever were -- originated from the T.S.B.D. sixth floor window. Accurately reconstructing the design of the limo as well as the seating positions of the occupants proves the "magic bullet" wasn't so magical. It fully followed the laws of physics.
Why does this conspiracy theory persist? People want to believe that big events have causes just as big, but in this case the truth is that the President was killed by one little man, Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone for whatever reasons were in his twisted little mind. His first shot missed completely. His second shot blasted through Kennedy's neck and hit Gov. Conolly (sp) as well, who was turning in his seat looking where the first shot had come from. Oswald took a little more time with his third shot to make sure he was zeroed in on the President's head, and ... ... well, you know the rest. The aftermath may have been dealt with shoddily, as the new special reported the crime scene (the limo) was not analyzed the way it would be today, but we still can know what happened from all the testimony of history. I'm just thankful for Abraham Zapruder for his documentation of the event. And Oliver Stone has screwed up a lot of people by making his stupid movie on the subject. And that's all I have to say about that. Carrie |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Quote:
On 2008-11-18 08:11, Carrie Sue wrote: Did you not read my post above?
Danny Doyle
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Quote: You're right!
On 2008-11-18 01:06, MagicSanta wrote: Just think the same political party was behind both, Lincoln and Kennedy’s assignations. The Secret Service job is to protect the President of the United States and they did, just not the one that was serving at the time of the hit.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
Jody Foster was to John Hinkley Jr., what the soviet union was to Lee Harvey Oswald.
Oswald & Hinkley were both trying to impress that special someone by doing something big and stupid.
POOF!
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Ruby before his real motivations could be obtained so any conclusions are just speculation.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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