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Gabriel Knight New user 88 Posts |
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I talked to tony he said it was published in 1990, Roger Klause endorsed it. He is going to contact dan paulus and said he will adjust credits if he finds his is not first published. Eric did nothing wrong and had the published work in his hand. View: not talking about you, just some earlier posts. |
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Antony Gerard Veteran user Kalamazoo, Michigan 359 Posts |
Hello
This is Antony Gerard and I just wanted to set the record straight as to the lineage of my routine "Back to Back". I started performing my "Back to Back" routine in my club work back in 1976. I first put the routine "Back to Back" and "Sympathetic Decks" into print in January of 1990 using a no gaff version. In 2001 I released my book "Card A-Tack" which included three routines and ten ideas. One of those routines was the gaffed version of "Back to Back". In 2008 I released the fifth edition of "Card A-Tack" with over 150 routines and ideas. To date I have sold over 2100 copies of "Card A-Tack" with "Back to Back" being one of the top four routines featured and I have never been challenged as to it being an original routine of mine. I have performed it for years at the Abbott Magic Get-Together, The World Magic Seminar, and at the Fechter's Finger Flicking Frolic Convention (of which I am one of the advisors). "Card A-Tack" also received a very good review in the Linking Ring magic magazine in I believe 2005. In November of 2008 I gave Eric permission to include "Back to Back" in his upcoming work, "Election". If Dan Paulus routine "Blind Luck" predates "Back to Back" please send me its history. If it does, I will gladly mention it in the credits. I came up with the routine "Back to Back" independently in 1976 and checked with many notable magicians before putting the routine into print. Including Karrel Fox, Jay Marshall, Piet Forton, Roger Klause and many others. However, as we all know there is little new material out there. Dan may have come up with "Blind Luck" before my "Back to Back" routine. I don't know. Time will tell. Until then, Take care and take cards. Antony Gerard To answer aukt. If you set the stage and instruct your spectators properly it is not at all a "ballsy" effect. I have performed "Back to Back" literally thousands of times and have only been burnt once. On that one occasion I instructed the spectator properly; however, I did not realize that the spectator was not fluent in English. It was my mistake and one which will not happen again. Thank you Eric for giving credit where credit was due and good luck on your future. Antony Gerard PS; My DVD is still in the works. Many set-backs and not enough hours in the day has continually set the release date back. I know that I have said this before but there is a very good chance that it will be done before the end of this year. |
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Dan Paulus Veteran user Utah is isolated from the real world by 343 Posts |
Okay...
I created Blind Luck sometime in the mid 70s. I was a young teen at the time and was put off by a trick showed to me from the local magic store called Red & Blue. I didn't like the trick which used a trick deck and one R&S card from another deck, along with a really bad number force. Even more important, I didn't like the way the guy behind the counter was trying to pressure me into buying it. I did like the premise so went home to try and create the same feel but without a trick deck. I remember the house I lived in, so I would have been between 11 and 14 years old at the time. I believe I was 12. That would have been in 1974. In my very first set of lecture notes, and a companion video, I included Blind Luck. That was 1994. I'll have to dig out a set from my storage archives, but I think I mentioned that I was 15 or 16 when I created the trick. That was only because I felt that admitting that I included a trick I created at age 12 sounded stupid to me. Creative license. I also had no idea how good a trick it was at the time. It had always been a filler effect until I was in my 20s. It was also included in my second set of notes. Many knowledgeable magician including David Regal, Jim Pace, and Shawn Farquhar said that they never seen it elsewhere. And Regal gave a ringing endorsement for the Video/DVD cover. At a lecture I did at PCAM in 2000 Gerald Kirtchner of Magic City, a wholesaler of magic, asked if I could put Blind Luck out on a separate video. So I did later that year or early 2001. Later I put it on DVD and it has sold world wide ever since. Magic City lists it as it's top seller. Earlier this year Gerald made me an excellent offer to buy the rights to Blind Luck. So Magic City now has all rights to my DVD. Hope that is helpful to anyone who cares. For more information of on the trick and it's copyrights contact Magic City. PS. There is a second trick on my DVD that I like better than Blind Luck entitled Pure Skill. It's an ACAAN trick. I've always been surprised that it never got the attention that Blind Luck did. Probably because it needs a full deck set up. Still it's very clever and I invite you to give it more consideration if you own the DVD. You can, and I often do, eliminate the one and only sleight and use it as a mentalist effect. I've done it on stage with jumbo cards and it plays very well.
There is no great genius without a mixture of madness. - Aristotle
Aristotle www.danscomedymagic.com |
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Dan Paulus Veteran user Utah is isolated from the real world by 343 Posts |
I should have mentioned that Blind Luck uses no gaffs at all.
For what it's worth.
There is no great genius without a mixture of madness. - Aristotle
Aristotle www.danscomedymagic.com |
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gitty Special user Vienna, Austria 871 Posts |
I am not a card guy but I love this trick!
WALTHER
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HarmoniaK New user 1 Post |
Hi all,
I just registered (thank god for my university e-mail adress) and I'd like to say that I really like this forum. You get real and divided opinions. I came here for couple of my purchases and one of these is Election. I really like this trick and seriously it's one of the easiest trick I know. I was disapointed on one point though. Contrary of what it is said on the different websites where Election is sold, the deck is NOT COMPLETLY EXAMINABLE with the method shown. In fact, the spectator could ruin the trick at the end. That been said, there are only little chances that it happens. Choosing the right participants and using basic crowd control techniques and it's almost impossible to get caught. I don't want to make bad puplicity to this great trick though! I will certainly use it in most of my card routines. It is still a very clean trick! Pierre |
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Maynard Regular user 191 Posts |
Just got the download. I like it a lot.
...and yeah, that little something might be tricky in the wrong hands. Nice price too BMWGuy, hope you don't mind, pm'ed you regarding alternate gimmick. |
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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
Harmoniak, welcome to the Café and thank you for buying Election. This effect IS examinable. The end part of the routine involves the spectator examining the deck to find their card. It is possible for them to find something but it is also possible for me to play forward for the Boston Celtics. BTW check me out this upcoming season while I am playing for a local semi pro basketball team in columbus called the Columbus fighting wallabees.
P3
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Thales Elite user You may have read one of my 415 Posts |
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On 2008-11-18 22:49, ted french wrote: Paper Crane moved it on there site. Here is the new like to Election: http://www.papercranemagic.com/sellout.htm
"If you can't change the method, change the moment." Vernon
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adamc Regular user Sydney, Australia 138 Posts |
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On 2008-11-21 18:48, aukt wrote: I've had both these things happen. With the first issue, it's pretty difficult to recover. If you're performing for a crowd, at least the other spectators will have no clue how it was done, as long as the chosen spectators don't give away the secret (not always something you can count on - Joshua Jay and Kathie Lee Gifford immediately springs to mind!) The problem is the way spectators cut a pack of cards behind their back. Even with poker players, I've had them spread the cards from hand to hand behind their back in order to cut them (they spread half the deck from the left hand to the right hand, at which point it's very easy for them to figure it out). I think it's a great effect, but because of these two issues, I'm very hesitant to perform this. Even when I do perform it, I'm almost waiting for the person to say "aha! what's this!?" and bust me (which has happened). This definitely isn't the frame of mind that you want when performing an effect! Anyway, I'm curious about this other gimmick idea you have BMWGuy, I'll PM you to find out more details. |
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
Ellusionist just picked this up!
I get to gaff some cool stuff for some cool people
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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
And its only 14.95
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davidpeters Loyal user 213 Posts |
This dvd is now in stock at Murphy's. You can order it from your favorite dealer!
David Peters
Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. www.murphysmagic.com[url] www.youtube.com/murphysmagic www.myspace.com/murphysmagic www.twitter.com/murphysmagic |
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jstone Inner circle Someday I'll have 1473 Posts |
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On 2009-03-09 19:46, Eric Ross wrote: I'm confused. Many people are talking about a "secret something" that is added to the deck, yet Eric is saying that the deck is normal. Which is it? |
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Cory Chapin Loyal user Of God! 270 Posts |
It's a normal deck, with a "secret something"
Eric, I love this... Call me
Followers can be leaders if they just turn around.
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jstone Inner circle Someday I'll have 1473 Posts |
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On 2009-03-17 22:11, Cory Chapin wrote: Doesn't that make it a not-normal deck? I'm not trying to be a pain here, but how is a normal deck defined? Isn't a deck that is factory condition without anything extra. Could I claim that an invisible deck is a normal deck with a "secret something" ie (r/s coating). Again, I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm really trying to understand what is "normal" and what is not. Thanks for your patience. |
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lumberjohn Special user Memphis, TN 626 Posts |
Jeff,
The deck must be gimmicked to perform Election. You can't do it with a borrowed deck. |
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jstone Inner circle Someday I'll have 1473 Posts |
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On 2009-03-18 07:31, Eric Ross wrote: Eric, Thanks for taking the time to respond. However, I must say that an answer of "buy it and you'll know if it's gimmicked" is a bit funny. In reference to your answer regarding my question about the I.D., you saying "it's a free country" implies that you are missing my point. I wasn't literally asking if I could physically say it. I was trying to illustrate a point. <----------------------(Edit - I added the following):--------------------------> (Edit) Added: What I meant by asking if I could say and I.D. was normal, was "Is it ethical and/or technically accurate to say that it's a normal deck." <---------------------------------(End of Edit)---------------------------------> The point I was trying to illustrate is some people say this effect uses a normal deck. Some say it does not. When I asked for clarification I got this answer: "It's a normal deck with a 'secret something.'" Doesn't a "secret something" make the deck, not normal? To be honest, I'm not that interested in purchasing the effect. I was more curious about the seeming inconsistency of the description (normal vs. not-normal deck). I'm still fuzzy on that point. Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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papercrane Regular user Columbus, OH 152 Posts |
You take a normal deck and you gimmick 1 card by using something that you probably have at home. Its a very common object that is used to gimmick the 1 card. You could perform a version of election with a borrowed deck if your interested. The bottom line is that Election is a very strong effect and because of the secret something it lets you do one of the strongest mental card effects that I have ever performed in THE SPECTATORS HANDS. You never need to touch anything and it has a nice visual kicker. It is very rare IMHO to have a mental card effect that is so simple,visual,hard hitting,direct,and easy as Election. The value for the dollar is tremendous for 14.95 you get Election plus 3 really good visual bonus effects. I know that may not interest you because you are not interested in purchasing the effect so I commend you for your efforts in trying to police the inaccuracies of magic marketing however I feel there are bigger fish to fry in that department before you start with this product. I hope that does not sound harsh, I love this effect so I tend to defend it pretty hard.
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jstone Inner circle Someday I'll have 1473 Posts |
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On 2009-03-18 21:27, papercrane wrote: Papercrane, Thanks for the info. I've now received a PM from someone and then this post from you that both have had some snide remarks in them. I'm not sure what I've done to offend you (and the person who PM'd me), but I feel I have been very civil and have just been very curious about the effect. I have said nothing negative about it, and have merely asked questions for clarity's sake simply out of curiosity, not out of "policing inaccuracies." Also, I kind of thought it was helping you by keeping your thread at the top of the forum. I really had honest intentions here, and I don't appreciate the lack of civility I've received from you. I don't know why people get bent out of shape when someone asks a question. Your answer above regarding adding the extra something to the deck cleared it right up for me. It was a simple question with a simple answer. As for the quality of the product, effect, and bang for your buck. I have no doubt that everything you said is true. The reason I'm not interested in buying it is simply because I have more stuff than I'll ever use. Plus I get review copies of tons of stuff, plus I'm busy working on my own stuff and performing, etc... so I just wouldn't have time to add more to my bag of tricks. Anyway, I like the Café here, but it gets frustrating when people with genuine questions get snide answers. It really takes away from the whole "magicians helping magicians" thing. A brief look at any of my former posts will show you that I try really hard to be civil in my posts and don't like to give snide remarks. I would appreciate the same respect. Thank you. |
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