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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2008-11-22 15:20, MagicSanta wrote: My pleasure, Santa.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Matt Watts Regular user 189 Posts |
I spray a lot of hairspray from the 80's.I print off all of my junk email and burn them with the leaves.I poor motor oil down the sink instead of leaving it out side.I throw away car batteries in a dumpster.I take the catalytic converter off my car.I boil lead in public places.I drive everywhere I need to go.I cut down trees for fun.I burn down rain forests to make room for shopping malls.I even go to the extent of melting the polar icecaps with a butane lighter.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2008-11-22 14:33, kregg wrote: LOL. That's it? That's your evidence? You found a letter signed by a bunch of people you've never heard of, most of whom have zero qualifications in the area of weather modeling, and that convinces you? Ok. Is the evidence convincing because of their arguments, or because they agree with you? John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
Again you need to prove the THEORY of AGW. The modeling used by the train wreck known as the IPCC report cannot be proven.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Kregg, why do I need to do that? I've never made any claims one way or the other. (Well, I did claim that the sun will eventually run out of fuel; I'll justify that if you'd like.) You are the one who claims that the IPCC report is "junk science". I'm responding because of your apparent certainty in your claim. So far you've given no rational justification for your assertion.
In fact, Kregg, I've maintained all along that I don't have the expertise to have a strong opinion on the matter, but I have made what attempts I can to understand the models in question. From what I can understand (and it isn't a lot) there is no obviously faulty modeling in the IPCC background (the report itself is not very technical). If the IPCC report is like most similar scientific enterprises, it probably contains a few errors and it likely contains inferences from evidence that will be shown weak in later science. It probably also contains evidence and modeling that will sustain scientific scrutiny. And no, I do not have the expertise to predict where any of these will be. If you want to show that the IPCC report (or any other piece of the literally thousands of pieces of scientific literature in the area) is faulty, you'll have to do a bit more than shout. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
We've been down the road to deletion many a time. Why bother?
Again, the onus is on you.
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
John,
"I don't know...and neither do you." Does this sum up you thoughts? If so, I agree.
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Ken. That's close. We all have some amount of information and some amount of understanding. I'm simply calling BS on a couple of posters who claim certainty.
Of course, nobody should be certain on the topic of anthropogenic influence on the climate. Even the experts express their views in terms of probabilities (or ranges of probabilities). It shouldn't be that hard for lay people to admit that they are uncertain. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
It may or may not be so ... let's throw money and resources at it just in case. Are you running for political office John?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Kregg. Have you found any place that I have advocated "throwing money and resources" at anything?
Honesty. It's a good thing. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
My wife was watching one of her television celebrity shows. The host was boasting about Hollywood starlets "green" baby nurseries. So far so good. She was talking about Halle Barry's two "green" nurseries, one in Beverly Hills, the other in Malibu. As long as it's "green" you can have as many as you like.
John, why are you so defensive? You're the one citing the IPCC and that's what they recommend. You read it ... right?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Are you serious, Kregg? I did not "cite" the IPCC report anywhere in this thred. YOU, however, cited a letter as evidence that the IPCC report is "junk science".
As for the IPCC report recommending "throwing money and resources" at anything, feel free to cite the report yourself--you have read it haven't you? Then we can discuss the merits or demerits of their proposal. All I ask is intellectual honesty. If you claim something is "junk science" you should be prepared to provide evidence. John
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
The one thing that really frustrates me on the whole Global Climate Change issue is that there's two entirely separate sets of data, one which proves global warming, and one which doesn't. And each side completely discredits the other side's data- so it's impossible to have a fact-based argument by citing specific sources.
Magnus- believe me, I'm with you. I was ridiculed at my family's last 4th of July BBQ because I believe in man-made global warming- while I'm smirking internally because I completely believe I'm right. (It's no fun being the only liberal in my family.) -Erik
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
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On 2008-11-22 21:51, EsnRedshirt wrote: Kinda makes you think the facts aren't all in, doesn't it?
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
What is even more frustrating is that both sides of the argument use the same set of data and interpret it in different ways. But then that is what people have been doing with the various holy scriptures since the beginning of such things. Interpreting it fit their own selfish needs and world view.
Looking at the raw data does not give a compelling argument for a gloom and doom end of the world unless we spend billions to clean it up scenario.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I do my part. I cool my house by having a LOT of friges open. (None of which are energy efficient by the way) When it gets too cold, I then make sure to heat it up with hair dryers.
I do what I can.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2008-11-22 21:51, EsnRedshirt wrote: FWIW, only in the U.S, I think, is climate change so widely perceived to be a 'liberal' thing.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
That is because the "liberal" movement has taken hold much tighter outside the United States.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
John wrote, "If you wish to dispute the IPCC, go ahead and read their paper and mount a critique."
Again John, this is an old Café argument, one that's been deleted over and again. You are the one who has changed position to what appears to be a holding pattern. I'm not talking heat islands here. Do you believe in AGW, per the IPCC, or not? The IPCC’s 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%; CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100; Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly; The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500; The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated; “Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years; Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling; The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%; It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible; Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed; In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years. http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/press/......sis.html
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
But Kregg...that's not SCARY! Nor cause for depression and anxiety! Spoil sport! You get the pee pee hat for ruining the lefty's day.
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