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chidzuyo
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On 2008-11-26 05:55, mrmuji wrote:

Sometimes not everything can be examined, usually the props are partly examinable only. The majority of borrowed object for doign impromptu magic are examinable though. If you are to ask your audience for a sharpie then they shouldn't have bring one with them. Perhaps that's maybe the reason why Liu emphasise anything he brings.

Just my thought as well.

Bob


Of course. It'll be extremely retarded and humiliating to hand out props that reveal the secret.

Luchen does have a tendency to conduct a "props examination" before performing the illusion. And I notice he likes to say things like, "Many people think that magicians used props with hidden gimmicks blah blah..." before he emphasize that his props are authentic and innocent.

Ultimately, to each his own. As long as you (and your audience) are comfortable with the way you're performing.
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Hey guys I am new here, however, I found this thread by googling the same effect. I have been doing card magic close to a year now and thought to try something different and saw this on the variety show. It seems like Point of No Return, however, is not carried in a lot of shops. I checked one shop online that had it, and it turned out that they are out of stock on the material. If any of you guys know where would I get hold of this, please do tell. Thank you.

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Welcome to the Café Zellyen
Best Regards,

Bob
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Finally a reply. Smile well, I'd call the effect "practical". but not as presented in the video. in the normal effect, only one signature is used, you start and end with a blank business card. to present it the way as shown in the video, you will need an extra safety pin and some chops/misdirection, you're only supplied with 2 of them (umm ... the pins). I would rather present it in a way that the first spectator signs the card through which she has pushed the pin. btw ... harkey suggests that the spectator should push the pin through ... not recommended. since it's quite big it's difficult to handle . I don't want my spectators to hurt themselves.

although I said the effect was practical, it's not something I'd show on a regular basis. don't know why.
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Where did you get a hold of the instruction/gimmick for said effect. I found a place but they were out of harkey material
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Mine was/is second hand. I have no clue where to get a new set, sorry. Smile
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On 2008-11-25 23:44, Xiqual wrote:
When you pick up a pen and say "Pen" I think you are insulting your spectators intelligence. It also leads people down the path that there might be fake pens.

Sure, specs probably have an idea that there are fake gimmicky pens but let's not draw a frame around it for them.

Think about a regular situation. If you had to sign for a package and the mailman said "Here, sign you name, WITH THIS PEN." Wouldn't you start thinking the pen was special? Normally, you just pick up a pen and use it, or hand it to someone.

About examinaning props. I NEVER let people examine things. Slows down the show and just breaks the dramatic rythm. It's all about attitude.

Again, just my opinion.
James



You think you understand the magic performing theory a lot.
But in my opinion,You don`t understand that much.
To explain why I state the objects I use and let spectators to examin the prop will take a lot of work.but I can tell you,
you said:"Think about a regular situation. If you had to sign for a package and the mailman said "Here, sign you name, WITH THIS PEN." Wouldn't you start thinking the pen was special?"

and "I NEVER let people examine things. Slows down the show and just breaks the dramatic rythm. It's all about attitude."

They are not right in some situation.
Maybe you read them from some books,but you have to think about them,not just read and do it.

I am not saying I am the best,But I am not that bad as you said,at least I can tell you I am the most famous magician in China and Taiwan now,I was invited work at magic castle and las vegas few years ago,last year I got "The Close up magician of the year in Japan",and I just did a 2 hour TV special in Japan.If I don`t have prestantion skill and originality I would not be able to do them.

by the way,The safty pin act is David Harkey`s The Point Of no return.But I used a totally different way to perform it.
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So guys, after searching through countless numbers (like 15 lol) magic shops. I found out that The Point of No Return isn't manufactured anymore. What a disappointment. Does anyone know ANY place that I can get my hands on some? You guys said it used the same safety pins as the linking safety pins, but aren't those pins a bit small and not as visual? I really like this trick and would appreciate it if some of you can either find me a place that still carry this or sell me a copy if you have an extra. Thanks
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Point of No Return basically used the same key pin found in a Jerry Andrus Pin set.

greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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On 2008-11-25 08:45, Xiqual wrote:
I was sure it was heavy metal. The ad is in the old Genii mags. I'll have to go and look.
sorry for the confusion if I am wrong.
James
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Bob,
Are you not tired of Taiwan TV magicians and their lousy presentations?
Did Liu really need to hold up the marker and say "marker" to the audience?
This whole crop of guys just saying what their actions are while the do the trick is beyond stupid. Oh well, What can we say?


I am not an magician, so I don't know much about the magic performing theory. But I know, a successful magician should make the spectator feel surprised ,happy and relaxed. So, as an ordinary spectator, I think it is necessary to let we spectators examine props, so that we can "make sure" nothing is unusual, and the magic effect seems more mysteriously finally. On the contrary, it seems "SILLY", we'll think "OF COURSE, they have ALREADY done something on the prop in advance!", if you don't let spectator examine the prop.
Spectators' opinions are usually different from magicians.

Lu Chen's performance is great, I think.

"I NEVER let people examine things."
Oh well, what can I say?

Just my opinion.
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Lu Chen, glad to have you on the Café Smile I've watched your magic shows when you had that show with the other Chinese magician, the one with the pony tail. Going to the rice place to do the rice bowl effect and turning it into rice wine was to me, phenomenal. Smile

Makes me proud to be ABT (American Born Taiwanese).
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