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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
I did a search but didn't find much
wanting to learn the 3cm for entertainment value not to swindle people! any learning material better than the rest? at the moment my head is turned by the school for scoundrels notes
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts |
There are many and very good routines out there. Most notably,
Dai Vernon's routine, John Scarne's routine, Darwin Ortiz's routine, SFS routine, Erdnase routine, etc. and you can find all of them on youtube. |
Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
I no I can watch them
but that doesn't teach me how to do it, I'm after learning material
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
On the Fast Company DVD, Damian Neiman teaches a really nice 3 Card Monte demonstration. I found his tips on keeping the spectator's interest especially valuable.
Also, Steve Draun has a nice demonstration type routine on Volume I of his Standing Room Only DVD set. |
MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I'll second Damian's work on FC!
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No. 92 Regular user 199 Posts |
I think this thread would be better suited in the "If right you win, if wrong you lose" section
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Doc has some video footage on the Internet a while ago...but, I don't know if it is still there.
It was not technique footage, but, it was fun to see the real work I remember that 3 card monte was VERY popular in New York in the 1980s and 1990s....I enjoyed watching the fine points and phycology...including the teamwork.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Whit Haydyn would be the man I would ask about 3cm for entertainment value.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
maturpia Regular user Paradise City 142 Posts |
Here in Italy,some years ago I remember that 3 card monte was operated in the big citys by some napoletani(those who lives in Napoli).
Today I only can see it done in the large fairs. |
bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
I like the routine as it is written in Erdnase. And I also like the way that it is written up in Further Inner Secrets Of Card Magic - Dai Vernon. And the John Scarne book is also very good.
The problem with three card Monte in entertainment is the same problems as I see in the shell game and the cups and balls. Many of the routines I see other magicians do are way to long. Also the personality of the performer is very important. The magician should be a likeable person. Last but not least - the routine has to be a strong good routine with interesting variations and twists to keep the audience interested. Doing it for entertainment is a bit different than doing the routine as a swindle in my opinion. When they do it as a swindle the con artist "wants" the "mark" to think that they know where the queen is - so they will put a bet down. When doing it for entertainment the magician doesn't want the audience to be able to know where the queen is - plus they also want to "mystify" the audience and entertain them at the same time. So in my opinion doing it for entertainment is a bit different. A lot of magicians use the crimped corner as the final and that is a good ending. I use that and from time to time an ending where the queen vanishes and all the cards end up tens - using the one handed bottom deal. I hope this helps.
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Bret Maverick Regular user U.S.A. 185 Posts |
I second Tommy on his recommendation of Whit Hadyn.
Check out his School For Scoundrels web site and products. Once the basics are mastered, Richard Turner's demonstration is very entertaining and is, if I recall correctly, featured in his performance at the Magic Castle on The Cheat - Special Edition DVD. Bret
"If all a man can count on is finally pushing up the grass, when I do I'll lay you odds that grass is mine!" - Theme Song For The T.V. Series BRET MAVERICK, by Ed Bruce
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I triple that. Are we allowed to give a link? I guess I'll have to find out!
http://www.chefanton.com/scoundrelsstore......onte.htm Hey, mods, if I broke the rules just delete the post. Don't ban me. Or do. Actually, I can't for the life of me see how this would be against the rules, so I'm just whistling Dixie. |
Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts |
Quadruple that (actually, I just wanted to write the world "quadruple").
Whit's monte: Brilliant Fast Company monte: Fantastic Richard Turner's monte: Sublime |
casibb3 New user 51 Posts |
Purist: Have you read Camille Gaultier's (sp?) Magic Without Apparatus?
Therein is a great treatise on the 3CM. Frank |
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
The School for Scoundrels DVD on Three Card Monte is a two disc set that has an incredible amount of previously unpublished info.
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Rockabilly Regular user Victoria, BC, 158 Posts |
I have the School for Scoundrels 3CM and 3 Shell Game DVDs, and I've not seen any resources that are more detailed than those.
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut.
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jbolt New user 29 Posts |
School for Scoundrels...no doubt.
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