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I've heard the term thru the years and it has me wondering about it.

Over the years there were times when I would call to someone and hear my voice come from another location rather than from me. Others would also hear this and turn to look in that direction. Sometimes quite a distance from me.

My questions.

Has this ever happened to any of you?

Is there actually a method for doing this?

It seems that throwing your voice is possble since I've experienced it by accident several times in my life.
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On 2008-11-24 13:39, Jaz wrote:
It seems that throwing your voice is possble since I've experienced it by accident several times in my life.


Jaz,
Since you've experienced this, it will be impossible for anyone to convince you otherwise - but it is technically impossible to make your voice come from anywhere but your vocal cords. You can place the voice, but it still comes from you. Ventriloquism - i.e. - throwing the voice - is an illusion, a trick.
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You're right Tom.
I won't be convinced since I've experienced it as have others who heard it.
I was just at a site that I Googled 'throw your voice' for and found some info on it.
Nice illusion.
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It's called an echo !

I did a lot of study on acoustics and pyscho-acoustics when I built my home recording studio about 15 years ago. Certain angles reflect soundwaves in odd ways. This is one of the reasons most recording studios make a point to eliminate squared-off corners and have rounded, puffy insulation or foam on the walls. They usually want a dead, flat room that is easy to control, and add the effects of reverberation and such during the final mixing process.

Sometimes a reflection is a good thing, and can add a nice echo or reverberation to a sound (think church, cathedral, concert hall).

I, too, have experienced hearing a sound or voice coming from an area of a room where it did not originate. However, it is not some mystery or ventriliquist's ability that can accomplish this, simply good, old fashioned reflection of sound waves, or in layman's terms, an echo.

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On 2008-11-24 13:39, Jaz wrote:
It seems that throwing your voice is possble since I've experienced it by accident several times in my life.


Jaz,
Since you've experienced this, it will be impossible for anyone to convince you otherwise - but it is technically impossible to make your voice come from anywhere but your vocal cords. You can place the voice, but it still comes from you. Ventriloquism - i.e. - throwing the voice - is an illusion, a trick.
Tom


I studied voice a Carnegie Mellon University for 4 years and I discovered you can throw your voice using the acoustics of the room or object . .... put an empty bottle to your ear and then go to the other side of the room and hum the note the empty bottle produces when blown into ..and you will hear it come from the bottle.
now with perfect lip control you got something amazing ....Its not easy finding the right frequency to do this ....but it can be done .. I do it in my show with a jar .....
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Leave it to Mark & Cardone to prove me wrong. Great answers! I never even thought about echos.

Cardone, isn't what you described technically creating an echo rather than actually "throwing your voice"? To me that term has always implied the sound is actually coming from another source - not bouncing off a surface. The vocals still originate in the person that makes them.
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One of the best examples I can think of is when you are in one of those dome buildings , like at a state capital. You can stand 50 to 100 feet away from someone, facing away from them, speak in a whisper, and it will appear to the other person that you are standing right next to them whispering. Domes are funny like that. The higer the ceiling, the more pronounced the effect.

It is all acoustical science.

There is no such animal as "throwing" one's voice.

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The bottle trick I described is not an echo it is a frequency thing ....
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The "frequency thing" is called "sympathetic vibration". Every room has a "pitch". Certain notes/tones of the musical scale will seem much louder if they occur it that space. When I say room, that can also mean any contained space, like the inside of a bottle.

There is a chamber in one of the great pyramids in Egypt that has a large stone. When this stone is struck, it vibrates a perfect A440 pitch that seems to almost shake the room. This is because the room and the stone are in sympathetic vibration.

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Thanks for the science lesson guys!
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My wife says I am a large collection of useless information !

I prefer the description a friend gave, that I have "selective brilliance"...

:crazydude:

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Thanks for the info .... on the correct terminology
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I remember working in a building where you could hear someone who was in another room...

I think the illusion was helped by acoustics, magic and the vent(alation) system.

Will have to play around next time I am in a domed big room.

Try your crome dome...said Nigel the puppet that rocks..


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Ventilation systems are often the biggest source of noise from other rooms! I remember an interesting science disply on this principle that my family saw at the Ft. Worth Botanical Gardends in Texas last summer. Very loooong PVC pipes , running down the side of a boardwalk, curving a turning in different directions, but the cool thing was that one person could whisper into one end, while someone hundreds of feet away could listen at the other end and hear the whisper clear as a bell. Amazing stuff. My son got a huge kick out of it.

Cardone, I would love to see that routine you do with the jar in your show. That is cool concept Smile

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Actually it could be something called a dissociative episode. A lot of things can cause them, a drop in blood sugar as found in both diabetes and hypoglycemia, some medications, small strokes, so many things would be hard to list them all. While to most laymen the dissociative disorder means amnesia or the like, that is a bit over simplified. Dissociative episodes can involve instances during which for a few seconds or even up to several hours and even days feel like we are outside ourselves and watching ourselves. Hearing your voice come from another place than from within you is typical of such experience.
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