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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
Dave why are you so keen on testing me I'm not sure of your point. But I guess as I'm the one on the lower end of the poll I will explain yet again to hope that you might share any information if you have any to help me in my feat.
I will post 1 email responce I don't feel I need to do more I have personally used a real jacket underwater many years ago. BAD idea. Yes, it does in fact adhere to your skin. Ever try to take off a wet T-shirt? Not a smart idea. Kind of like "practicing bleeding". Stay safe, Mark & Sheila |
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
I don't mind the drive once or twice to discuss or go over my escape... I thought the comment was to have someone personally train me... maybe this is an option for me thanks for your help I will try contacting them
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
In order to make a career out of escapes,,,honesty will play no part in this. To sell the illusion, to sell the lie,your showmanship comes first, your bussiness sense second, your health third and way down the list your escapes and methods.
If you want to make your life hard then carry on as you are. I am pointing out the truth to you, not doubting your skills, ability or honesty. Your presentation should NEVER take second place and with the self imposed worry of what you are doing the presentation will suffer. Badly. Ask any ea who has done this for a living, full time. Ask them how they have managed to stay alive in order to enjoy their retirement. Not by taking chances, believe me. A live hero is better than a dead one. In this biz if you make a mistake it could be your last.You can and will get hurt doing even the simplest of escapes,,,repitition of working will guarantee this, believe me that's bad enough on its own. To take the chance no matter how much research you do on loseing your life is fool hardy and non professional. Think again. Ken. BTW the method I gave a few posts back has been tested and used on at leaste 6 occasions. Its safe, it works, its a bluff but the two ea`s involved are still alive. |
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
Kondini
I just would feel to fake idk I guess its personal thing. Maybe this relates to an early ? about if personal challenge was involved , I guess after this being brought to my attention I would have to say that I want some challenge, I feel as if I'm cheathing my self I want a realistic apperance ... this may be a fault I'm not sure its just me. |
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Fair enough,,you have now moved the goal posts. I can not comment on personal challenge as its personal to you.
I wish you well. I am a very old live ea !!! Ken (Bowing out now). |
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
Ok sorry not meaning to test you – but was honest all the way – if you intend to go ahead with a jacket that is “more real than paper” I stand by my thoughts – go face to face with a pro who has been working a long time. Seek out advice from those who have done the SJ in water and get them invovled in what you are doing - yes face to face - your life is worth more than a few 9 hour drives - isn't it? (isn't it worth more than say 30, 20 hour drives?)
But my honest opinion here is not one you want to listen to – you are determined to do it – that worries me! I can see a boo boo coming on down the line. But that is up to you – I hope you don’t get hurt (but either you will and stop – or wont and carry on and one day it will catch up with you – don’t risk anything!) I am a student of Kens - I consider him my long lost uncle / dad I never had and hand on heart I can say this:- You have the best advice you could ever get – in his last post. He shoots from the hip – he tells it like it is and if he says it’s good it’s good and if he says it’s bad it’s bad. He is not making this stuff up he speaks from MANY YEARS of experience as a FULL TIME (and a half) working pro who knows the business. If I wanted to do what you were planning on doing – I would have gone to him straight away! And got my glue and paper out by now and be working on it. But that call is yours and yours alone. I wish you well – I don’t want to hear your name for the wrong reason! Please take Kens advice! Balls in your court |
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
Kondini
I guess I would seem a little to Hollywood for me I mean you have to be able to relate to this in some shape or form I mean you may where gaft handcuffs but you don't wear rubber or papper ones that fall off. You yourself practice getting out of handcuffs for personal challenge correct... you may use gaft anything but I don't feel as if I'm a complete idiot for not wanting to use a paper one... |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
If you want to challenge yourself, take up a personal sport that won't kill you.
Escapology is a form of showbusiness; Ken had it on the money. It's not what you do, it's what the audience THINKS you do.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
I understand this thus I'm using a gaft jacket not the real deal . Im not sure where I'm getting wrong here... I just believe their should be some sort of challenge is their really no line to you guys between hollywood and what we do anyone could where a paper jacket jump into water any one can open fake handcuffs from the dollar store... This is why we get labled as fake... that's just too fake to me... I understand the audiance could be let to think this is real but I value the art more then that and you guys do too if you look closer I do believe...
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts |
I would not have guessed that a strait jacket would adhere underwater. I have worn t-shirts into pools and they pretty much flows freely. I just assumed a SJ would do the same.
-Matt
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
Matthew I would think so as well I have not personally tested it hough. I have been informed by now 3 people and have not herd one person speak up saying otherwise.
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Harley Newman Inner circle 5117 Posts |
Yes.
When a canvas jacket is wet, it's as if they were stuck to you with glue. And they become a lot less flexible.
“You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus” -Mark Twain
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
Haha thanks again harley
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts |
Let me just get this straight, you are talking completely underwater? Or as if you are wearing one that is wet? I know that a t-shirt sticks to you when it is completely wet. Is that how the SJ acts underwater?
-Matt
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Harley Newman Inner circle 5117 Posts |
Worse.
“You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus” -Mark Twain
www.bladewalker.com |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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This is why we get labled as fake... that's just too fake to me... I understand the audiance could be let to think this is real but I value the art more then that and you guys do too if you look closer I do believe... I think you've got a skewed idea of what the art entails. Escapology uses TRICKERY, blatant or subtle; that's the 'inconvenient truth.' It is NOT an 'extreme sport.' If you want that, take up parkour. I've respected the art, for what it actually involves, for over 37 years; it's all about presentation and showmanship. Something fake can look very real, just as something real can look very cheesy and fake. That said, if you want to 'challenge' yourself into an early grave, that's your choice. Keep in mind that Houdini himself did not approach it with that mindset, despite the illusion/legend he left behind.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
"I've respected the art, for what it actually involves, for over 37 years; it's all about presentation and showmanship. Something fake can look very real, just as something real can look very cheesy and fake."
So are we saying its a bit like magic then? yes ....... OH that is why this forum is part of the Magic Café! "That said, if you want to 'challenge' yourself into an early grave, that's your choice. Keep in mind that Houdini himself did not approach it with that mindset, despite the illusion/legend he left behind." Or you could do it all for real - but you have to apply that to your magic as well - so no more using anything other than REAL magic from now on then.......? Its all about the SHOW and the way you present it...... Your saying that escaping from a paper SJ is a rubbish idea! How about a paper bag instead then? |
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x-treem Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Ken's paper SJ is one of the most genius things I've ever read.
Matt let's go back to talking about other things instead of being hung up on assumptions. The only thing a Strait Jacket and a t-shirt have in common is the fact the go around your torso in some manner. It's to early in the morning to come up with a good analogy so I'll throw this one out. It like comparing a pair of mckenzie mitts to a pair of winter gloves. Yup that one sucked.
A direct from text adaptation : The Strange Case Of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde Starring Mickey Rooney in his final role.
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GTBROTHERs New user 67 Posts |
Then what do you have to say to all the ea who have done under water sj escapes with real jakets ... or the gaft ones ... not paper though.... several pro's have done this with the non gaffted jacket are they scewed in their thinking as well... please explain bc I do want to understand
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x-treem Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Tyler I'm not sure who you were directing your post at.
I was merely pointing out that those who have done the underwater escape have informed that the strait jacket sticks and Matt should move on instead of questioning those that have done it and know from experience. Tyler what other escapes do you / have you done. I always like to hear what others have come up with.
A direct from text adaptation : The Strange Case Of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde Starring Mickey Rooney in his final role.
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