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If you gave 10% of your total to the Muscular Dystrophy Association weekly, do you think they will approve you to show their sign or wear their hat/shirt while performing? If a person ask if you work for them, tell the truth, "No, I donate a percentage to them."
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That is a cheap and unscrupulous way to build a hat. You get tipped because YOU are entertaining and have EARNED the money, not because people think it's going to a charity.

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Sad. Really sad.

In the worst cases of this illness, a person will be in a wheelchair by 12 and dead by 20.

And you are thinking about profiting from this??

I really hope there is a joke I am missing...otherwise, you are sick.
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Slow down, guys, it's a fair question.
Personally, I do think the charity would benefit from 10% of your hat. 10% of a weeks taken is a **** load all should be.
On the other hand, I don't think you will take more 'cause of it.
So if you want to support a charity, I suggest that you just give them 10% and just say nothing. Or, perhaps put a link on your web-site and so on.
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Thanks, Mario. At least, you are one with a brain on this page.
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Mike, I STILL DISAGREE!!! You ignored Mario's concept that you should just give the money and tell no one about it.

You, on the other hand, are insinuating that you are working for the charity. In fact, you are working for yourself and throwing a small bit to a charity. That makes what you say and do a lie. Hey, you can live as a liar if you want, but I won't. This is the way I see what you are asking.
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Mike, I understand your charitable motivations, but I agree with Paddy. Advertising that you donate to the charity without actually *working* for them sounds like you're trying to capitalize on the name to increase your hats. There are frauds out there that supposedly work for charities when, in fact, they do not and simply pocket the money. You don't want to be mistaken for one of those; it'll do you more harm than good.
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Kozmo was asking a question. He wasn't saying he was attempting it. You do not even know WHY he was asking the question. You just got all holier than thou and flamed the guy. Some of you might want to think about listening once in a while instead of talking.

For all you know, Kozmo saw a guy doing this and thought it was disgusting. You have NO IDEA why the question was asked.

Kozmo also happens to be one of the best street performers working today. EVERY SINGLE TIME he tries to post something here, he gets flamed by some wannabee who thinks he knows more than his head can hold.

Mario, you're a rock star.

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Kozmo? We're talking about Dynamike, aren't we?

Whoever it is, hypothetical or not, the answers would be the same. It would reek of profiteering. Even Mario said that if someone does donate to a charity, they should just do it and not advertise it.

Posted: Dec 9, 2008 1:40pm
Maybe "profiteering" is the wrong word to use, but it's all I could come up with at the moment.
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Hey, who's the idiot? **Dan, raises his hand** That's right, I'm Dan, and I'll be your idiot today.

But I still stand by my original objection. Nobody knows WHY he asked the question, the guy just asked a question.

No need to fillet him over it.

Thanks, Dave, for the help pulling my noggin' out of my backside.

My question for Mike is WHY do you ask?

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Posted: Dec 9, 2008 1:42pm
I do know that a lot of entertainers that DO support certain charities list their appearances on their website.

I just made an appearance on a local telethon and noted it on my Facebook, as well as listing the number people could call to support the cause.

I don't think that makes me a carpetbagger.

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Where did Kozmo come into this? I learned more from Koz when he was down here working than I have from just about any other street worker, and as far as I can see, he did not ask the question, Mike did. What did I miss?

Isn't this spot about street performing and how to get better pay?? Truthfully, what other reason would there be for wearing the shirt or asking the question? It is not about caring about the illness. If it were, he would just pay the money and and do free show or charity fund raisers.

Let us say I was wrong and jumped the gun on Mike...what reason do you have for asking the question? Like I said, it just seemed sick to me, but I can get things wrong.

Mike, why do you want to wear the shirt? I really want to have a brain, too.
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On 2008-12-09 13:43, Mad Doctor wrote:
Where did Kozmo come into this?


Mike's new avatar is of him and Koz. If you are skimming the thread and just see the picture...
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On 2008-12-09 13:26, Dave V wrote:
Kozmo? We're talking about Dynamike, aren't we?

Even Mario said that if someone does donate to a charity, they should just do it and not advertise it.


I did not. I suggested it, and I did not say should.

I have worked for charities in the past, and this is quite common exchange between business and charities. I see nothing immoral about giving 10% of your takings to a charity and then wearing the t-shirt. I don't think it is a good idea for the show, but immoral, what a load of crap.

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Having worked for Comic Relief and CALM the Cancer movement as an entertainer, it should be noted that both Charities contacted me and paid me to do shows for them in order to set up public attended and ticketed evenings. This gained their Charities more cash for the charity than the money paid to me for supporting them.

Many Comic Relief performers work this way, and like them, we are permitted to display their Logo at any shows we do.

To me, this is upfront and very worthy. It also scratches each others back (nothing wrong with this at all). So to work with, rather than use, is properly the correct way to view the issue.

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I would suggest contacting the Muscular Dystrophy Association by telephone and asking them. Only they can give permission. Make sure you get it in writing, with a name attached.

In the UK, it is fairly common for street collections to be staffed by professional fundraisers, but there are laws regulating the practice that the charity should know. Failure to abide by these laws can result in fines that are very large... or even jail.
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On 2008-12-09 13:14, Danny Hustle wrote:
He wasn't saying he was attempting it. You do not even know WHY he was asking the question. You just got all holier than thou and flamed the guy. Some of you might want to think about listening once in a while instead of talking.

Thanks, Danny.

I was asking the question to find if it would be a good idea helping get publicity for the magician. If it was wrong some type of way, could there be a way to solve the problem?

You are right, Danny, I was not attempting it. If I knew it was wrong and was going to attempt it, I would not have posted it in the first place.

I never seen the topic listed anywhere else, so I wanted to ask to get information from the professionals with brains, not the "wannabee" criticizers.

I like your answers, Mario, Dave, Tom, Ken and Danny.
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On 2008-12-09 13:43, Mad Doctor wrote:
Where did Kozmo come into this?


Mike's new avatar is of him and Koz. If you are skimming the thread and just see the picture...

That is why I believe in wearing noticeable colors while street busking instead of the common shades.
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Wow! Dynamike asks a neutral question, and others sure speak their mind! On the topic of giving to help others, isn't it recorded in one of the Christian gospels that "Jesus" said something about giving without broadcasting the fact? And it didn't occur to me before, but I think it was him who said along the lines of "When you give, don't let your right hand know what your left hand does." Now if that isn't a conjurer's mastered approach, what is? Don't look down. Keep your eyes on the spectators, please!
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Mike, I am not a "wannabee" criticizer...I was a "criticizer."


But as I said..I could be missing something.
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On 2008-12-09 13:40, Danny Hustle wrote:
Hey, who's the idiot? **Dan, raises his hand** That's right, I'm Dan, and I'll be your idiot today.

No, Danny, you are not the idiot here. You only took a quick glimpse at the avatar and made a mistake. The real idiots are the wannabees that you mentioned earlier, who have nothing to do but criticize. They will post any stupid thing just to get attention. I don't interact with them because I'll just be wasting my time.
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I'm not offended by Mike's question. It's an honest one.

I handle charitable work in my own way. I think the public might perceive advertising that you donate a percentage of your hat to any particular charity as a self-aggrandizing move.

I'm not the public.

Just do what you feel is right. The audience will let you know if you have made the right decision.
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