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Right now the UFC is showing a live event on Spike TV to benefit the Intrepid Fallen Heros fund. http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/

It's a real good cause. You should kick them something if you can,they'll take donations in any amount. They fight for us, if you can, help the fund build this state of the art facility to help our injured service men and women. Kick a buck if you can.

https://www.fightforthetroops.com/donate.asp
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Fantastic. I like Dana White more and more.
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I was surprised at how fast/well the main events were.
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Yeah, it was a good card. Some good fights.

Did you see Cantwell pop that guys arm? Ouch!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCE2PvXvfqc
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I was looking at the video with a guy at work and he was a bit put off that Cantwell said he'd been waiting a long time to do that to someone.

I told him. "Tap or snap baby. Tap or snap".

Did you see what happened to Corey Hill in one of the fights that didn't make the braodcast? Nasty, nasty broken leg.
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That is odd in the UFC. They have VERY few major injuries. It is something Dana White brags about. No wonder it didn't hit the braodcast.
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The arm snappage made the broadcast. The leg snappage didn't but I think that's only because it was a live event and they were juggling in some of the undercards when the main events went so quickly.

Honestly, I don't even know if they would call those "major" injuries. They look nasty and they hurt, but broken bones can heal stronger than the original. They haven't had any major head injuries, or anyone paralyzed, or anything like that though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTgx7g7cqwc

That is the Corey Hill injury. That is pretty much exactly like a kickboxing injury video I saw ages back.
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That was nasty. Hart checked that kick and it was like Hills leg wrapped around his. One of the nastier breaks I've seen. If he didn't completely tear up all the muscles in the leg and ankle it should heal up fine.

Why didn't Cantwells opponent tap? He may have serious damage to that elbow now. At the very least he won't be able to train for a while. What was up with that? Did he not believe Cantwell could break his arm?
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WOW! Corey Hills leg snap was nasty. What do you guys think about Koschek's KO. Pretty sick.
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Why didn't Cantwells opponent tap? He may have serious damage to that elbow now. At the very least he won't be able to train for a while. What was up with that? Did he not believe Cantwell could break his arm?
I didn't see the fight, but it seems like a lot of fighters have some kind of "code" against tapping; kinda like the Royce fight against Matt Hughes. Did you see that one? Matt had Royce in some kind of wicked looking armbar/Kimora. I read in some interview somewhere where Matt said that the only reason he let the hold go is because he knew Royce wasn't going to tap and he didn't feel like breaking his arm.
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Why didn't Cantwells opponent tap? He may have serious damage to that elbow now. At the very least he won't be able to train for a while. What was up with that? Did he not believe Cantwell could break his arm?
I didn't see the fight, but it seems like a lot of fighters have some kind of "code" against tapping; kinda like the Royce fight against Matt Hughes. Did you see that one? Matt had Royce in some kind of wicked looking armbar/Kimora. I read in some interview somewhere where Matt said that the only reason he let the hold go is because he knew Royce wasn't going to tap and he didn't feel like breaking his arm.


Fortunately that isn't really true. Most fighters will tap rather than be sidelined for at least 8 months due to a broken arm. There is no shame to tapping to a submission. Royce fights once a year and they paid him a truckload of money to come back and fight Matt. Royce would let Matt break his arm but he is the exception to the rule.

Corey Hill's going to be out for at least 12 - 18 months. It was a clean break and it looks nasty.

Razak Al-Hassan did not break his arm, believe it or not, but he dislocated his elbow.

Both Yoshida and Goulet were sent to the Hospital for concussions. Yoshida left the Octagon on a stretcher and was released this morning. It was one of the few cards where a bunch of fighters got injured. Great card. Hopefully Saturday's will be good. I hope Mir gets his ass kicked.
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Mark Ennis- You're probably right, but I've seen a fair number of amateur fighters in gyms who would not tap. I shouldn't have assumed it was the same way with the pros. Furthermore I shouldn't have assumed that the gyms I've been to are represenative of all gyms. I apologize.
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On 2008-12-11 20:33, Mark Ennis wrote:
Corey Hill's going to be out for at least 12 - 18 months. It was a clean break and it looks nasty.

Razak Al-Hassan did not break his arm, believe it or not, but he dislocated his elbow.

Both Yoshida and Goulet were sent to the Hospital for concussions. Yoshida left the Octagon on a stretcher and was released this morning. It was one of the few cards where a bunch of fighters got injured. Great card. Hopefully Saturday's will be good. I hope Mir gets his ass kicked.


Great report, thanks!

I agree about the "code". That's not he case most of the time. These guys don't want to be injured. Like you said, when you're caught, there is no shame in tapping out. That's why it was bizarre to me that Al-Hassan didn't tap.

When I said Cantwell "broke" Al-Hassans arm, I didn't really think he broke any bones per se. I figured it was dislocated and/or torn apart. I call that busted. lol!

I had really high hopes for Yoshida but Kosheck really jacked him. I love judo players and I wish there more guys like Hiromitsu Miura in WEC and UFC. I hadn't seen Yoshida fight but from what I heard I was looking for a good fight. Especially with Kosheck being such a good wrestler and Yoshida being a great judo practicioner. Oh well. It was a good card.

Hope everyone heals up allright. That was an unusual amount of carnage for one night.
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On 2008-12-11 10:43, Vandy Grift wrote:
The arm snappage made the broadcast. The leg snappage didn't but I think that's only because it was a live event and they were juggling in some of the undercards when the main events went so quickly.

Honestly, I don't even know if they would call those "major" injuries. They look nasty and they hurt, but broken bones can heal stronger than the original. They haven't had any major head injuries, or anyone paralyzed, or anything like that though.


True they have had 0 injuries like that and the guys can speak after a career. It is because they take so few punches to the head really. I mean they throw them but boxers bet beaten and beaten and beaten, where the ref jumps in here way sooner.
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The "code" is often misunderstood. The "code" is if it is just pain, don't tap. There are holds, some leg locks, which just hurt like a mother, but don't cause injury. So in those cases there is no need to tap, just push through it.

BUT when it is going to sideline you, there is no shame in tapping. Broken arms and joints, muscle tears and such, really can sideline you for a long time.
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On 2008-12-11 20:45, Justin R wrote:
Mark Ennis- You're probably right, but I've seen a fair number of amateur fighters in gyms who would not tap. I shouldn't have assumed it was the same way with the pros. Furthermore I shouldn't have assumed that the gyms I've been to are represenative of all gyms. I apologize.


Justin. No need to apologize. You are probably also correct when you talk about the amateurs. I am pretty sure practically every gym has a couple of guys with egos who would rather be put to sleep or have their arm broken rather than tap. That is, until it really happens Smile I was strictly talking about the pro fighters where injuries cost them money, especially ones that can be avoided.
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