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If it works how I think it works (and I'm almost 99.9% sure I know how it works now that someone pointed out the obvious that the image was of the ring tied onto the chain) then I don't find it very magical at all. Just a fairly impressive stunt.
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Can anyone clarify if it can be done 'in spectator's hands' ?

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Hello Aaron,

Yes this can be done in the spectators hands.

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The original was a sleight of hand thing but now this guy's come up with a way to gimmick a ring so that it's perfectly weighted so that a spectator can accomplish this without knowing the precise way to toss the ring. I think it's clever but nothing I'd be amazed over. The description definitely makes it sound more magical/impossible than it really is. Technically a demo video would wouldn't lessen sales since it's the jewelry that does it all on its own. Sure they might understand the concept by watching the demo but they still have to buy the product to be able to accomplish it the way the Infinity Ring accomplishes this effect.
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I believe that this is an upscale version of the harness ring on the circle of ball chain. You can see this at every convention selling for about $10. The ad states this
is a ring and rope move.
It is for you to decide if the aesthetics
are worth the price difference. Glenn
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Paul Gross wrote me asking if I'd like to see this. Not strings attached ( I've known Paul a number of years ). Well, I already had a routine, without having seen it, so I said OK.

So it arrived in two days somehow. It's about the size of a silver dollar. I never look at instructions when I first get something and was looking to over and then remembered that effect with the ring and chain. That one, while clever, I never met anyone that could do it 100%.

Well, it's been 10 or more years since I held the old effect, but I nailed Infinity Ring on the first try.

I got out a pad and, I hit 29 out of 29 times. I then read the detailed instructions and they do in fact tell of the history and give detailed instructions, presentations, cold reading ideas, tips, etc.

I got a few packages today and I had this out and my girl thought my Mom sent it to me. I put it on and asked her what she thought. She thought it looked like rapper bling.

So I said, it was my grandmother's. I then went into my routine. I may give the full details later, but in essence, I first let the ring fall and I catch it. The second time, according to my routine and with her help, I trusted her power of faith and belief and kept my hand away. It was all on her to make it work and not fall to the ground and break ( quite a bit of drama here ).

I let it go, the ring fell and...attached to the chain.

She gasped. I tugged on the ring and told her this is really attached. I had her unclasp the necklace and un-thread it.

She examined it and looked at me and of course asked me was I messing with her and this was a trick. I confessed a friend that owned a magic shop sent it and told her that there is no gimmick.

I did the routine again and this time, I let her drop the ring. Perfect. So, you can let them drop the ring. Would they be 100%? Hmmm. Since I let them hold the chain, I think they are already involved enough and with my routine, they actually are doing the magic.

I then let her in on it and she came up with perhaps a better routine than I had and wants to do it for her Mom on Christmas eve.

OK, so, the gold, so to speak, of this is that it's dead accurate. If you do exactly as is explained, it works every time. They must have solved the proper weight/balance issue that the brass type rings made it hit or miss ( maybe not for everyone, but anyone I knew ).

With the proper routine ( I believe one that has an emotional hook as I think tricks or puzzles ruin it ) you have a winner.

My girls comment about the bling got us thinking and she suggested just carrying it in the jewelry case it comes with and telling the same grandmother story I told her.

I like that, but I sure would rather wear it because it will get commented on. I'll have to see about that issue.

I "think" you could even use it as a pendulum if you enjoy that type of magic.

Here it is. You decide if it's something you'll use.

http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?product=11099
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Could you have it engraved with ancient text of some kind so it didn't look link bling?
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Just back home from my show and I feel that I have the urge to leave a review here before I go to bed. The package arrived my place a few hours before I was about to head out for my show, WOW, the first magic product ever WOW me in terms of the product quality and overall packaging (have you ever seen 'quality' in magic product packages before? ), before going into the trick, I already found my money's worth, but that's all beside the core question. So how was trick itself?

Everything in the advertisement is found to be legit. Everything is done without any 'moves' and happens all in spectator's hand. The instruction was very detailed and straight forward. Took me 5 minutes to master it and even bang on the first time trying it. That was very visual even for myself. Why did they not put up a demo video?!

The instruction contains all moves and useful displays, a mentalism presentation, a cold reading starter's section for beginners, etc... Although the presentation given is not my style, but I think it's really worth a read and will play very well with the premise given from the necklace.

I found this worth my investment for what I have received, until I decided to wear it on my neck before going to my show...

WOW, this thing is incredible!!! I didn't expect such great reactions. And YES, people asked about the necklace to get you do it. I was only hoping to try the new toy out for a few times but ended up doing for the whole night and it rocked the room. I first did the effect without really going into presentation, and it was already great because people were looking close to it with everything in their own hands, but they had no idea how it happened. After I realized this is far beyond what I thought it was, I tried to work out the presentation with what I remember from the cold reading instruction. At the end of the night, I performed the trick to the wife of one of the VIPs with simple readings and bits of encouragement. The reaction was huge and wrapped up the show nicely.

On my way back home while driving, I received a call from that VIP and asked if I would be able to make it to their next event..... INCREDIBLE!! And that's what makes me feel this urge to leave this review at almost 4 o'clock in the morning!! I never realized such a simple effect can play that strong.

I am trying to give this review as fair as I could, but I am just still very excited from what I had been through from my show today.

I re-read my post and found it to be a bit cheesy, but this is not an ad, I am not paid to leave ads at 4 o'clock in the morning. I am just a very happy customer that's very excited about what I have received for my investment, and sharing my experience with all.

I am already looking forward to this guy's future release!

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What material is the set made of? Will it oxidize?
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Hello Okami,

The Infinity Ring will not tarnish or oxidize.

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I still won't buy this for that much money but I guess I was wrong about it being a simple puzzle to spectators. I'm glad people are enjoying it.
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Patrick, we all have our own tastes, etc.

I would say the cost is that it's a precision piece that is sure fire, won't tarnish, etc. and has so many performance possibilities.

I hope anyone that gets it doesn't get tempted to make it a puzzle "can you do this".

I'm going to use it New Years Eve and have a couple of different performance ideas.
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Just like to share a second thought of what I found interesting. My wife saw the necklace on me two days straight and got interested, asked if she can wear it. Of course. We went out to do some last minute shopping and met an old friend in the mall. We had a bit of conversation, and I 'borrow' the necklace from my wife to show the trick. It worked out pretty well as an borrowed object! The design of the necklace is pretty unisex, looks fine on both man and woman, casual and formal. I really like the thinking behind this trick.

Patrick,if you wear accessories, you'll find the price to be reasonable for the necklace itself. The quality is really good, precisely made, and made to last. Even comes with warranty to cover any damage possibly caused by the nature of the trick.

I had so much fun with this and will keep on playing with it. Will share if I run into any new ideas.

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I just bought this and I must chime in. It is very very cool. If you are worried about the bling factor, turn it the other way when wearing it, and you will just have a silver ring with the diamond looking parts against your shirt until it is time to perform. This is the first trick that, after opening, I was still puzzled with. I thought "How in the heck can this actually work it is a ring and a chain without gaps or trick sliders or anything?" I picked up the ring, and then the necklace, followed the instructions and dropped the ring. As it dangled, tied to the necklace, before my eyes, I was speechless. I had just done the trick and I did not know how it worked yet. Needless to say, this is a must carry for me now. I love it. -Matt Sconce
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This is Will Tsai. Sorry for my late presence. I am not a regular Café member, my buddy Gerard informed me that there's such a thread and thought I would check it out on Christmas day. Merry Christmas everyone! I'm glad that people who purchased the effect are enjoying it. It has been a pet effect for myself and a few close friends for years until now. I've received huge and crazy feedbacks after releasing this effect. Thanks for everyone's support.

For people who has concern about this product ( may it be design, price, ... etc), as mentioned in the ad, I am sure this won't be for everyone. As the matter of fact, there's isn't a single magical effect that I am aware of fits everyone's performing persona. So does the design of an accessory. I hold my sincere respect for all different opinions. For the people who have purchased the effect, thank you for your support of our hard work. For the people who didn't like the effect for any reason, thank you too for letting us know your opinion.

Again, Merry Christmas and pre-happy new year!

Will Tsai

PS. I'll be transferring a series of products from Japan next year. Check out Hocus-Pocus regularly, they will always be the first to carry my products in US area. Smile
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To those who think that it's not fashionable, particularly Gregoire, what's you sense of style? I'll tell you this right off the bat, most magician's sense of style is more or less horrible. When was the last time you've shopped at a higher end clothing store? Macy's do not count. If you think the Relic makes you look cool, good luck with that, it's a interesting piece but it's definitely not fashionable. Thinking that people who are homosexual are the only ones who are fashion forward tells two things about a person, that person has a very closed minded and stereotypical way of thinking and secondly, they probably never grew out of their high school and college days of baggie jeans and hoodies. I would put good money and bet that most of the male magicians pretty much refuse to wear any other colours apart from black, grey, white, and probably brown. Many of them probably also think that it's ok to wear a striped shirt with a pinstriped suit with a patterned tie. Like I stated in my earlier post, most magicians actually do not have fashion sense, Gregoire, you telling me that I was outnumbered 3 to 1 or what not proves absolutely nothing here. LoL. Look, not here to offend anyone but just think about fashion and what's in, look through some men's magazine as well, it really helps. We're performers, being performers, appearances count A LOT. Getting dressed for a even doesn't just mean put on any button down and any suit, it means putting on something that looks great. For those who have girlfriends or wives, I highly suggest the next time you go out to shop, ask your misses along and have them suggest what looks good on you. That's that, back to the subject of this particular effect, the Infinity Ring, it looks very nice but I'm more concerned about the size of the ring, if it's a big ring then that would be a fashion faux pas and just look silly, this being the size of a silver dollar, that would place it in the no no side of things and in fact, it does look a bit silly. If it was a nice size around the size of a finger ring, that sounds pretty good and would look nice. I guess I'm not getting this in the end as it's just way too big to look good.
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Just to add, since I forgot to in the last post, the Firestarters DVD by Sankey is actually very very very good. Both the effects that are taught as well as some very good basics on communicating with females and communicating in general. The material he chose to teach also augmented flirting very well. Let's just say this, if you just met a female and you're put into a position of performing a little bit of magic, do you know what is KILLER in that situation? Something like a coin on shoulder routine. The reason? A coin on shoulder routine gives you a LOT of room for flirting as well as an acceptable amount of touchy feely (not touchy feely like a dirty old man, but touchy feely in a casual way which is very flirty and in the context of the effect, as well as being a very non-obtrusive way of meshing both personal spaces for you and her). Did I need to watch Firestarters to learn this? No, I've learned that on my own, but guess what? Many people have no concept of this so Firestarters is actually a VERY good jumping off point to learn some of this common sense along with some good effects. So, is Jays advice on Firestarters sound? Yes. Here's the sad thing, many skipped that volume because it came out during the time Jay was pumping out DVDs practically every other week, plus a video on how to pick up girls using magic does indeed sound ridiculous but Firestarters is a very very good video.
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Wow, let's not get to the offensive side here. Just popping up and share some of my later thought. I also agree on what Kissdadokie said about most performers are a little lacking sense in fashion (like myself). But after wearing Infinity Ring for about a week, it really does look nice considering the compliments I've received along the trick performance. Not only that I enjoy performing this effect as it is very strong from my first hand experience, and I also enjoy wearing it on my neck. Will Tsai, if you see this, just want to let you know that I love the effect and keep up the good work! Looking forward to your future release.

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Kissdadookie, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on fashion style and how this particular effect fits them as an individual. I would not have even posted except that I suppose I was targeted along with Gregoire having commented on this item's feminine look.

The fact that you mentioned shopping at an 'upscale store' was rather interesting. It reminds me of when I myself worked in the fashion industry for a brief time. I went to a job interview (which I got) at an upscale men's clothing store here in Brisbane. This company specialises in high end tailored suits, and are well known for their ridiculously expensive clothing. At the time I had next to no money and had purchased a suit from a local men's discount store. Matched nicely with a half decent tie and shirt, I went to my interview. During this interview the owner of the business commented on the cut of my suit, and said "that's beautiful, did you get that from us?". His face went pale when I told him that I had paid all of $100 for it.

I don't think that you need to spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothing to look fashionable. And who decides what is and isn't fashionable anyways? Each magician is an individual, and no doubt has his/her own individual tastes. I personally read lot's of men's magazines, and purchase a lot of expensive clothing. I myself own a few suits which cost me well over $2000 each. This doesn't necessarily mean that I look better than the next guy who bought his at a discount store.

If I was a performer for childrens parties, do you think they would prefer a magician who rocked up in a bright red suit with a spinning yellow bow tie or a guy in the latest Armani outfit straight from the most popular men's magazines? I have an inkling that they would prefer the previous style.

I am not trying to offend you with this post, but your comments could have been misconstrued as offensive, not just to magicians posting on this thread but entertainers in general. Once again I have to state that although many performers have commented positively on this product, I could not purchase it due to it's look. Perhaps it's the photos, perhaps it's that I see no logical patter for it (I liked Aaronnish's idea though!) but I can't see myself purchasing this. I think that the idea is superb and am fascinated by it, but it is the look that is holding me back. After a few more posts who knows, I may splurge and give it a go!

Will, great work and I love the idea! I'd love to see a performance video from someone so that I could see this effect in action!

Luke

P.S. And personally, I find that using magic to pick up women is a touch tacky. You can't beat a little charm, a nice smile and genuine attitude. Then again that's just me! Each to their own!
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To be honest, you can buy a lot of very nice looking pieces and not spend a lot. One good example is H&M but the problem with H&M is that the physical quality of the products are way off from being acceptable. A lot of people like Express but to be honest, Express' style leans towards the confirmed bachelor (don't confuse it with eligible bachelor). My point in going to the nice boutique and high end stores is that you will see what's in style and basically learn that so you have a better sense of what to purchase when you actually go out for clothe shopping. Anyhoots, the size of the Infinity ring is way to big to me and thus I will not be picking it up. I wish it was a bit smaller. Smile

No offense taken and I apologize if anybody felt offended by my posts. I was just stating an issue that many people don't consider. I suppose that it's just a guy thing, most guys I guess don't take their appearance into consideration. As a rule of thumb, there's many things in life that you need to be self aware about (sensibly, not overly obsessed) because most people do not speak what's on their minds so they will most often than not think "What a bad dresser" but will never tell it to you. Kind of like magic, you perform and you have to learn how to gauge reactions because you have to be doing a REALLY bad job for your audience to tell it to you to your face. Children performers of course has a whole different kind of style consideration that they need to consider, but my comments did not have children performers in mind.
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