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Dennis, I did not see your post until now.

I am one of the crazy guys who have memorized Osterlind's BCS for the following reasons:
- I don't like Poker or Bridge effects, so these built-in effects in Tamariz and Aronson are not useful for me
- I don't use the spelling effects, since my language isn't English
- I wanted to be able to do stack routines while I was still not confident on full memorization. In fact, I was not sure if I would ever be able to dedicate the needed time to full memorization, so I wanted to be able to carry the BCS deck with me

It worked pretty well for me. So far I have not regretted.

Posted: Apr 4, 2009 6:14pm
And by the way, I have even found a good way to do Shuffle Bored with the BCS stack. PM me if anybody want instructions.
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Did yo know?

Its possible to discover the identity of a card at any position very quick with a Si Stebbins System Stack: The Rules of Four.
Its four separate formulas to find any card named in the deck.

Very clever and useful, almost like a memorized deck.
You only need to remember a few rules, very easy.
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And what are those rules, Kjellstrom?
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On 2009-04-05 12:32, Magicmike1949 wrote:
And what are those rules, Kjellstrom?


Sorry - I cant publish secrets on an open forum.
You need to buy a magic book or learn from a magic friend.

You can find the 4 rules in this excellent ebook (7 bucks): http://www.trickshop.com/stebbins.html (includes many powerful routines, sure)
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When I started to work on memorised deck I found easier to make mental calculations than to remember a whole deck. I discovered one day the Bart Harding stack which allows the calculation of a position given a card and the reverse
(I am not saying that this is the only one or that it is the easier stack that has this feature, but just that it was the first one I met and I work and stick with it)

There are no built-in effects in this stack which I don't mind as I already use some other poker / spelling routines.

I believe that practising mental calculation helps too for many memorised deck routines that precisely use calculation (Aronson's routines, Ortiz's Zen Master) : you know the infamous 'try not to look too contrived when you have to substract 35 from 14' etc...

And Lawrence, lucky you who lives near your work in paris, you could practice just walking to the office because the Harding stack is just about mental calculation (although if your mind is busy doing calculation the odds that you will walk on dog's **** in paris streets will be much higher...)
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On 2009-04-04 18:14, PeterMik wrote:
And by the way, I have even found a good way to do Shuffle Bored with the BCS stack. PM me if anybody want instructions.


Peter,

Is your method particular to the BCS, or, can it be used with any memorized deck? Thakns for the info.

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Hey fellas. Finally committed fully to a memory system. I chose to go with Harry Lorayne's methods. I've been studying the dominic system for quite a while, a year or so maybe and have had great results with it, but for some of the numbers it just doesn't work for me...AT ALL! So when the numbers get bigger, I start screwing up. That's why I chose to committ to Lorayne's system.

I learned the Tamariz stack pretty much the way it said in the book but the last 15 or 20 cards were giving me a hard time so I decided to use the dominic system to completely learn the stack. It worked but man it was a pain in the arse! It took me a while to fully learn the whole stack.

I tried mnemonics in the past but didn't give it enough time and gave up on it, seemed too complicated. Well, finally gave it some time and learned THE RIGHT WAY and used Lorayne's method. I actually learned another mem deck in 2 days with it!! That's with only a few hours each day off and on. Very easy! He makes everything sooo *** easy to pick up on. Now when I see numbers I automatically start seeing objects, creating stories, etc. It's actually fun to just look at random numbers and see what you come up with.

Just wish I actually took the time to learn the right way years ago. I'm definitely gonna pick up his memory power package to learn his other methods in depth. Awesome stuff guys. Do yourself a favor and check out his stuff on memory..you'll will find you start enjoying remembering stuff and doing memory demonstrations almost as much as doing magic!

Seriously, if your new to memorized decks or memory technique's in general, be smart and learn the right way the first time and save yourself some grief. Contact him here on the Café or go to http://harryloraynemagic.com/

And don't forget about his magic. This guy has come up with more effects, ideas, routines than you could imagine. His entertaining personality reflects in his teaching style on his videos. So watching and learning is always fun too Smile If you wanna do magic, you need to study this man
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Bobby, you are right; still I've to point out that you can use Simon Aronson's system (see in "Bound to please") to memorize ANY stack you decide to use or create. Actually that is what I've done 15 years ago to learn the stack. Being German I decided to translate/rework Simon's system in(to) German. The result was and is a system (using my own words) which allows me to learn easily any stack in 4 weeks time spending less than 1 hour the day. And it's true what Michael Close wrote in his "Workers" also that you will forget very soon all the words you were using initially to learn your stack. Concerning speed nothing can beat a truly memorized deck. That allows you to perform quite complex routines in which you have to do calculations anyhow because you've not to calculate anymore the relationship between stack number/card and vice verse. Jan
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On 2008-12-31 13:46, Steven Keyl wrote:
Anytime mem deck work comes up I'm always amazed at (seemingly) how few people are on board with a tetradistic stack. Most people think of Si Stebbins but there are other stacks out there that are tetradistic and look a lot more random. ...

I love Si Stebbins and its variants. The Si Stebbins Pro Stack has removed an inherent weakness, the rigid alternation of suit colors and strict suit rotation. The way he has done this is ingenious and will fly by everybody - magicians included. The single rule to remember is so simple that anybody can do it effortlessly. The seemingly random sequence of colors and suits is such that the deck can be spread face up without risk of detection from lay people as well as magicians.
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You are right, the Si Stebbins Pro Stack is very clever and innocent looking. Memorize it and you've a strong weapon. Jan
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On 2009-06-08 07:50, hcs wrote:

I love Si Stebbins and its variants. The Si Stebbins Pro Stack has removed an inherent weakness, the rigid alternation of suit colors and strict suit rotation. The way he has done this is ingenious and will fly by everybody - magicians included. The single rule to remember is so simple that anybody can do it effortlessly. The seemingly random sequence of colors and suits is such that the deck can be spread face up without risk of detection from lay people as well as magicians.
http://www.lybrary.com/si-stebbins-pro-p-4180.html


If I hadn't already memorized my stack then this is something I'd probably investigate a lot more closely. The thing I do love about the standard Si Stebbins stack is that you can get into it from NDO via Ortiz' setup. Even unmemorized you can do miracles with this stack and working from a new shuffled deck looks even more amazing.
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It is possible to switch from regular Si Stebbins to Pro Stack. Most Si Stebbins tricks will work unchanged with this new stack.

One can go from NDO to Pro Stack fairly efficiently, the illusion of randomness is excellent and finally there's a crutch to find out the card-position relationship.
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As said before better not having "to find out" the card-position relationship - learn (memorize) it... Jan
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Of course Jan, your statement is absolut correct!

But for some magicians memorized decks have one seemingly disadvantage. they have to be memorized! This is a feature not for everyone.
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On 2009-06-09 04:35, hcs wrote:
Of course Jan, your statement is absolut correct!

But for some magicians memorized decks have one seemingly disadvantage. they have to be memorized! This is a feature not for everyone.


It all depends on how you look at it. I'd say:

It's not a disadvantage of the MD, it's a disadvantage of the magician.

In fact, you could argue it's an advantage of the MD, because not everyone will use it!

I choose to look at it in the positive way! ;o)
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Smile ... yes, Cohiba!!
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Hcs,

Is it documented in the .pdf as to how to get into Si Stebbins Pro from both NDO and from Si Stebbins (standard) ?
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I have noticed that many posters like the possibility of starting from NDO and go into the stack (Si Stebbins or Mnemonica) via faro shuffles.

Does it mean that you often start your magic shows with new decks ? or is it more 'a nice to have just in case' feature ?
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Personally I like to mark my deck, reseal it and at special occasitions (big company, special event etc.)I will do my most incredible memo-deck tricks...then ending with the deck being back in NDO - and concluding with the sponge rabbits ;-)
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On 2009-06-10 10:39, moualb wrote:
I have noticed that many posters like the possibility of starting from NDO and go into the stack (Si Stebbins or Mnemonica) via faro shuffles.

Does it mean that you often start your magic shows with new decks ? or is it more 'a nice to have just in case' feature ?


Moualb:

I rarely go from NDO to MD order during performance, but it IS nice to have, just in case. The feature about it that I REALLY like is that I can go from MD back to NDO during performance, without them knowing about it. This is a killer ending to a set. Plus, you can easily reset after that ending! ;o)
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