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mindfreak2.0
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Hey this is a pretty dumb question but what would it take to call your self a professional magician?
ArthurZep
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I guess you can call your self a professional magician if you earn your self a living (hope I used the expression right Smile ) by magic. ( when it your profession.)
My 2 cents Smile
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I'd say it's a mindset and not necessarily how much you're paid. It costs you nothing to put the line "Professional Magician" on your business card, but then you need to back up the words with action, right? However, I think there are certain advantages to getting in the mindset of "professional" rather than "hobbyist".

(Not tax advice, so talk to your lawyer and all those folks >>>) It's my understanding that you can deduct expenses (at least here in the USA) as a business, if you treat your hobby as a business. Print up professional business cards. Actually do shows for cash. Go to magic conventions for education. That sort of thing.

You can do the same sort of thing but treat it "as a hobby". The requirements are much less strict, but you can deduct stuff, but less than if you were running a business. One big requirement for a "business" is the IRS actually expects you to show a profit one day. (Go figure.)

I have a sideline game-design, art-design 'professional' business, which doesn't get a lot of action, but I get steady work. I treat it as a business for the extra tax-related perks, like deducting the costs of going to game conventions.

If you're serious about it, talk to your local tax expert who can show you the ropes.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/professional

Tradition says that if you charge any substantial amount of money, you are a professional.
Payne
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When the people you are performing for stop asking what it is you really do for a living.
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One measure that some folks use is this:

An amateur magician does different tricks for the same people all the time (because he never gets different audiences).

A professional magician does the same tricks for different people all the time (and therefore has polished those few effects to perfection).

And this isn't just a play on words. Professionals, whether they charge money or not, have lots of experience in performing before lots of people. You can't buy that kind of knowledge, you have to learn it and earn it yourself. And it's that experience, the ability to be smooth and graceful, to be at ease with and to connect with your audience, and to do it regardless of what might go wrong, that separates the amateur from the professional.

As somebody else once said, "Anyone can do what I do, it just takes a few years of practice." So start practicing! SETH
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Thanks guys it helped a lot
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Bill Palmer has a very well thought answer to this in the Wizard's Cave area at:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=171&3
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My dad said that it is when you get paid because he played his guitar on the street and earned money so he says he is a professional musician. He said that it applied to magic as well.

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SOme say you are a professional when you realize that all you will ever need has existed in the Tarbell books, but by then it is usually too late...
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I disagree with your father. Busking is not "getting paid".
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Personally, I've always thought to myself...if you make MOST of your money from amgic, you pro. If you make a decent chunk from magic, your semi-pro, and if you make a little on the side, you amature.
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On 2009-01-04 14:40, JackScratch wrote:
I disagree with your father. Busking is not "getting paid".


It is if I'm doing it, mate...
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On 2009-01-03 20:15, S_Myst wrote:
Bill Palmer has a very well thought answer to this in the Wizard's Cave area at:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=171&3


Loved Bill Palmer's thoughts about this (as usual.)
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On 2009-01-04 14:40, JackScratch wrote:
I disagree with your father. Busking is not "getting paid".


This from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paid
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On 2009-01-06 17:13, hendoo wrote:
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On 2009-01-04 14:40, JackScratch wrote:
I disagree with your father. Busking is not "getting paid".


This from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paid


Quote:
pay [pey]
verb, paid or (Obsolete except for defs. 12, 24c ) payed; pay⋅ing; noun, adjective
–verb (used with object)

1. to settle (a debt, obligation, etc.), as by transferring money or goods, or by doing something: Please pay your bill......

.....11. to suffer in retribution; undergo: "You'll pay the penalty for your stubbornness!"


Not exactly what I look for in a performance, but... Sure! Why the heck not?
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On 2009-01-05 00:25, DanielCoyne wrote:
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On 2009-01-03 20:15, S_Myst wrote:
Bill Palmer has a very well thought answer to this in the Wizard's Cave area at:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=171&3


Loved Bill Palmer's thoughts about this (as usual.)


Same here. I agree with Bill Palmer's thoughts too.
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When you can successfully earn enough money to pay for your food, bills and clothing through magic for an extended period of time. You learn a lot about magic when whether you get to eat that week depends on it.

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On 2009-01-04 00:01, mmreed wrote:
SOme say you are a professional when you realize that all you will ever need has existed in the Tarbell books, but by then it is usually too late...


Yes yes yes! Smile
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To write a good routine is something.
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On 2009-01-06 23:19, MajikAbra wrote:
When you can successfully earn enough money to pay for your food, bills and clothing through magic for an extended period of time. You learn a lot about magic when whether you get to eat that week depends on it.

Eddie


That isn't Professional, that's "Full Time". It is quite possible to be a professional "Part Time" magician. I know because I am one. I am no less of a professional magician than the ones that make their full wage from it, in many cases, I am more professional than them. In the end, I can't imagine why people put as much stress into this subject as they do. In the end, who cares what title someone else gives you. Do the best you can, and quit worrying about these things. The big event planners in this town consider me a professional, what could make you more of a professional than the piers in the industry considering you one?
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