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chrusa
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Is it me or does the Staggering type himber ring just not seem deceptive at all? I have never seen a wedding band that looked like that and it kind of gives it away. Also with the Signet style rings I have seen they have thatb round oval gold thing on top and that's it. Usually do not rings have a jewel there? That does not look deceptive at all. Which style do you happen to prefer?

I think I am going to have to end up buying the Joe Porper one because the other ones just do not look deceptive to me. Are there any other high quality ones out there that I am missing?
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As much as I would like you to buy my ring (Porper makes 'em) you can fool folks with a cheap dime store ring with a key cut in it like a linking ring.

It's all in your handling and the routine.

Koran and Grant sold terrific routines with such a cheap ring.
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Pete’s absolutely right here. I did Al Koran’s version (using an open key ring) for a decade or two. It cost me maybe $10.00 for two good looking signet rings from a Five and Dime store back in the 60’s (does anyone remember the Five and Dime?). Heck I still have those original props (including the homemade gaffed pencil that helped with some of the work).

There are so many so-called “custom” made wedding bands available that it becomes difficult in some circles to find a plain style.

Bottom line, don’t worry about the look of the wedding band and focus on your handling and routine. No one will comment.

I also used the Himber “Towering” signet ring prop (bought directly from Richard in the day). I engraved my initial on it (for reasons explained by Billy McComb). It looked like a man’s signet ring. No one ever questioned the look of the ring.
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Mr Biro your ring has been on my purchase list for quite some time I have so many expenses though. I have played with one and it is beautiful. I forgot to mention its also not about looking deceptive but I like items that look good in general. I do agree about the handling being important as opposed to the look of a gimmick with not just the finger ring but any gimmick as well. The thing is I personally like items that look better/ I would much rather own yours than a cheap looking one. The idea about an initial engraved is great because come to think of it those are the only kind of signet rings I have seen with no jewel. The signet himber the magic shops sell look like something fell off the top.

Back a few years ago when Magic Talk was around a member posted a link to a website that had jewelry and rings and what not. The jewelry was really inexpensive for example under $10 for a ring that looked like a diamond engagement ring but it was fake. Basically it was stuff that looked really real but was fake and inexpensive. I bookmarked this site and my computer crashed and have been trying to find this website for a few years and still cant. I was going to try and mess around and cut a key ring, etc and play with different styles.


I mentioned in another post is I would be interested in (And have searched and couldn't find it) A set of rings that did different things but looked the same. For example a himber, PK Ring, Jardine Ellis finger ring, Mercuring, etc. Or maybe even a few combo rings such as a PK/Jardine Ellis or Himber/PK or any other possible combinations. I haven't been able to find it. I know mercuring is jay sankeys say if I were to have someone make me a custom set of rings like that, do you think it would be out of line to email jay Sankey and ask his permission to have someone make me a custom mercuring that matches my other rings?
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The pencil/pen that comes with the Ghostly linking finger ring is fantastic as well. I did a small modification to the porper ring that improved it for extremely close up view of it. I love the thing
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Glad it works for you.

Posted: Jan 2, 2009 10:28pm
Chrusa... sounds like you are more interested in all kinds of methods with the same look. Maybe it would be better to take one and perfect it.
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Chris...

PM Me..

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Ive been doing himber since 99 I just cant stand mt staggering.

I do all of those effects mentioned


Also I am thinking of the cool routining I can do and the sets I can create with a combination of the gimmicks that look the same and switch them in and out.


I do my bill switch routine very similar because there were so many good effects I liked and that were powerful and I did not want to just do one effect or I did not want to do many bill effects so I combined it into one really nice routine That inclues infinity switch, greed Prophet, Extreme Burn,
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Hey Guys & Gals,

I am actually releasing a Himber ring to the market as we speak. I know Chris was asking about a combo Himber/PK. Is anyone else here interested in that concept or would you rather they be two separate rings? I have the capability to do both and I am leaning towards the combination. Also, I am currently offering them in 14 and 18 karat gold but I am also looking at palladium for a more modest price point. Any thoughts would be great.

Max
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Chrusa I think you missed Biro's point. This routine can be amazing but the ring isn't what makes the trick great.
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Switching in a combination of gimmicks in and out for the Himber ring effect would be very difficult to do unnoticed. This is a trick where the heat is really on the chain of rings and if the audience loses sight of the rings for a moment, even if you do nothing, they all think you did. Over the years I've seen a number of magicians attempt this trick, but can only think of two who get the most out of this brillant effect without using a stooge. And if you use a stooge there's no reason to be switching gimmicks. If you don't use a stooge you need to be very clever.
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Richard Osterlind does a beautiful routine with the Himber Ring. Barrie Richardson (I belive in Theatre of the Mind Volume 1) has a lovely routine with a split ring.
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Not fond of the Osterlind because you see him messing with the rings between asking the spectators if they see their ring. Too obvious that a switch is taking place, Richardson's seems better but haven't seen it actually performed. Of the IN PRINT routines I think Billy McComb's and Geofry Durham's seem best.
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On 2009-02-15 03:10, Jonathan Smith wrote:
Not fond of the Osterlind because you see him messing with the rings between asking the spectators if they see their ring. Too obvious that a switch is taking place, Richardson's seems better but haven't seen it actually performed. Of the IN PRINT routines I think Billy McComb's and Geofry Durham's seem best.


I'm afraid that you see something the rest of us don't see, lay audiences included.
I have also seen Richard perform his routine live, and I guarantee you, there is nothing to see.
Let me also tell that I have performed this routine a number of times for real, lay audiences, and I have never been questioned or accused for changing out rings.

Sven

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On 2009-02-14 17:33, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Richard Osterlind does a beautiful routine with the Himber Ring. Barrie Richardson (I belive in Theatre of the Mind Volume 1) has a lovely routine with a split ring.

Just be aware of that you can't do Richard Osterlind's routine with the Biro/Porper ring.
I own Biro/Porper's and it is really wonderful, but the routine suggested follows Al Koran's.

Sven
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Lu Chen does a simple, clean baffling routine with our ring. It can be found on youtube. One of the best, overlooked routines is in 'The Uncanny Scot' by Ron Wilson. However if you ever saw Bruce Cervon or Koran to it you'd look no farther.

Probably the WORST handling I ever saw was Kreskin a the University of California, Berkeley. He fumbled and switched and any magician watching would have cringed.

BUT, I REPEAT, BUT... HE SOLD IT SO WELL HE GOT TWO... TWO... STANDING OVATIONS WITH IT.

A lesson? You bet.
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Thank you, Jonathan Smith, for kindly endorsing my routine.

After my book PROFESSIONAL SECRETS was published last year, I received some enquiries from readers who were interested in my unique design for the Himber Ring. It has a secure locking mechanism, is almost impossible to open by pulling on a chain of three, and enables a sure-fire one-handed unlink. All of which make it possible to create moves and routines that, in my experience, can't be done effectively with a traditional style ring.

I asked the propmaker and jeweller who made my original to make some one-offs as a service to people who have read the book and want to perform my routine. I ordered a few extra for myself at the same time and I have now two left. I'm happy to sell them, if anyone is interested.

If you would like photos, details of price etc, please email me at geoffrey@geoffreydurham.com.
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Staggering is terrible. It is incredibly small and bends easily.
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Many thanks to those to have PMed me because the address in my last post didn't work. My apologies - an extra dot crept in at the end.

Anyone interested in the gold Himber Ring should email me at geoffrey@geoffreydurham.com - and hopefully that will work!
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On 2009-02-16 12:20, Pete Biro wrote:
Lu Chen does a simple, clean baffling routine with our ring. It can be found on youtube. One of the best, overlooked routines is in 'The Uncanny Scot' by Ron Wilson. However if you ever saw Bruce Cervon or Koran to it you'd look no farther.

Probably the WORST handling I ever saw was Kreskin a the University of California, Berkeley. He fumbled and switched and any magician watching would have cringed.

BUT, I REPEAT, BUT... HE SOLD IT SO WELL HE GOT TWO... TWO... STANDING OVATIONS WITH IT.

A lesson? You bet.


Pete - love your ring! Mine was stolen, so I need to order another. :/
I was unable to find Lu Chen's routine on youtube, do you have a link?
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I saw the himber rings dvd from the greater magic video library, the Richard Osterlind's version on Mind Mysteries Vol 1, and the routine from Marc DeSouza's Master Work of Conjuring Vol 2.

The best handling I've seen is on Marc DeSouza's dvd. It's very clean! He uses some Tim Conover's ideas and the Joe Porper version.

You don't need to have the Joe Porper version (of course is the best but is expensive!), you can do it with the StaggeRing and add the finale explained by Pete Biro on the Greater Magic Dvd.

Here is a question for those who have seen the Marc DeSouza's video..
he ask only for weeding rings... why? I would like to add the Jonhatan Pendragon's script to the routine but he ask for rings with emotional value and not necessarily weeding rings.
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