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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
For those of you that use a folding coin of some type . How closely can your spec examine the bottle .
My ideal is to have a clear glass bottle and the spectator to handle the bottle and even try to shake it out . Does a gaff of this nature exist or do I need to create it ? I know many avoid this by using routining or darker bottles . I know there is also a version without the visible edge problem .i.e. internal or has anyone got away with the externally gaffed version ? I am super keen to make this happen so any help would be appreciated. Roki |
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Mr. Tango Elite user Argentina 465 Posts |
Dear Roki,
We invented and make the Tango Folding coin with an internal system, without external groove and rubber bands. So, with this gaffed coin you can show the real edge of the coin. We make several versions of folding coins internal system: half dollar, quarter dollar, 2 euros, 50 cents euro, etc. If you can see a picture of a Tango Folding coin, please click here: https://www.tangomagic.com/home.php?cat=310 Bye. Mr. Tango |
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nonvpro Inner circle 1844 Posts |
Coin in the bottle has been one of my openers for the past 20 years. I use Johnson's folding halfs and its always a 1964 Silver Kennedy Half. The bottle I use is a Coronita Extra bottle. This is a small 7 FL. OZ clear bottle. I also remove the bottom of the bottle ala Perrier with a Twist. Feel free to PM me with any questions.
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
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On 2009-01-23 23:17, Mr. Tango wrote: Thanks Mr T . I have several of your coins from your trips to England . The picture on your site doesn't really answer my question so I would like to ask you : 1:Are you the only person to make the internal method folding coin ? And if so 2: Can you make them in British coins such as 2p 50p or £2 . I want my coin to be as ordinairy as possible . 3: Are you coming to Blackpool this year ? Anyone else use these and are they more examinable than the external band design ? Thanks Roki |
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jonnyboy Inner circle San Diego 1021 Posts |
See the effect, Blindspot, by Bob Swadling, put out by JB Magic. It is very clever.
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tbaer Inner circle Pennsylvania 2003 Posts |
Johnson's profile cut folding coins are pretty good. You can be pretty close and not detect anything.
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
I wouldn't let them handle one.
Looking is fine with the Johnson. |
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Mr. Tango Elite user Argentina 465 Posts |
Dear Roki,
Yes we are going to Blackpool this year and we take Tango Folding coins in all UK coins. So, se you there. Bye. |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
Great .
I will bring a bottle ! |
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Mr. Tango Elite user Argentina 465 Posts |
See you there
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Mysterioii Regular user 123 Posts |
I have never tried it but I have wondered if you could just mix together some soft wax and maybe some graphite from a powdered pencil lead or something, then fill in the groove on a traditional rubber band one. When the band breaks just pick the wax out and replace it.
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MagicBosley New user 21 Posts |
Yeah, as with most effects, the presentation is your best defense against them discovering the gaff. Thankfully the folding coin still isn't well-known to the lay public, so you're pretty safe with casually showing it, and getting a real one ready to switch in if need be.
That said, I'm very happy with the Tango and Johnson folding coins in terms of their deceptive quality, and I'm curious to see Mr. Tango's new internal system. |
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hpcman New user NYC 68 Posts |
I have been performing coin in bottle for quite some time and use it everyday when I perform. I carry multiple FC with me and extra Ru**** Ba***. I recently purchased the tango internal half dollar system. I have found this coin not to work as well, for the routine I do. When trying to do Perrier with a twist you need strong pressure in the FC in order that it will stay put in the bottle in the spectator’s hand. To try to do this with a Tango coin is very difficult to tighten to this type of pressure. Second the Johnson profile cut is superior rather then the straight line cut of the Tango, which makes it obvious if detected that that is what the spectator is looking at. If you are using a Johnson the profile helps hide what that line really is. Although the tango is superior on the edges the tango coin has a necessary hole in the side milling to affix their system. Also as with every FC the line will look worse over time with use as the coin scrapes against itself when it f***s.
I have had great success with the external Johnson coin and for its most visible surface its face it looks superior to the Tango. I find you must keep the routine moving and not allow the spectator more then a beat or two to look at the coin. To have some one hold it and shake it for an extended period of time is wrong thinking. From experience you will see this unnecessary. Although I would love to find a coin with a complete internal system that had no telltale sign…I did just try to buy one right. But the Tango did not fit the bill Oh well. Ben |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
Hi guys , thanks for all the responses . I want to pick up in reverse order so
[quote]On 2009-01-26 11:29, hpcman wrote: ..... I recently purchased the tango internal half dollar system. I have found this coin not to work as well, for the routine I do. When trying to do Perrier with a twist you need strong pressure in the FC in order that it will stay put in the bottle in the spectator’s hand. To try to do this with a Tango coin is very difficult to tighten to this type of pressure." Me: So it sounds like the folding internal type isn't strong enough in the spring open quality to stay open if a spectator is handling the bottle , is this what you are saying ? I have seen in the normal routine it takes quite a sharp strong action to get the coin out so I had hoped that specs wouldnt get it out if they handled the bottle. Does that mean the johnson can survive the bottle being shaken by the spec . If so this is the way for me to go ! " Second the Johnson profile cut is superior rather then the straight line cut of the Tango, which makes it obvious if detected that that is what the spectator is looking at. If you are using a Johnson the profile helps hide what that line really is. Although the tango is superior on the edges the tango coin has a necessary hole in the side milling to affix their system. Also as with every FC the line will look worse over time with use as the coin scrapes against itself when it f***s. " Moi: Are you still talking about the Tango internal . By profile , do you mean the face . If so the internal does not look as good as the johnson external banded ? " I find you must keep the routine moving and not allow the spectator more then a beat or two to look at the coin. To have some one hold it and shake it for an extended period of time is wrong thinking. From experience you will see this unnecessary. Although I would love to find a coin with a complete internal system that had no telltale sign…I did just try to buy one right. But the Tango did not fit the bill Oh well. " Roki :Well I do know that you normally would not let the spec dwell on the coin and the routine normally avvoids this . However , wrong thinking aside I am still trying to find out if it would be possible to hand out a bottle with a coin inside that clearly can not pass through the aperture at the top. I want it !!! sooner or later someone will create this ,. I guess you are saying it doesn't exist yet ?? Or are you saying the johnson is handed out succesfully in the perrier routine . Is it ? Yes what are you saying , if you don't mind me asking !? Cheers & Thanks anyhow Ben . Roki |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
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On 2009-01-26 11:06, MagicBosley wrote: its encouraging that you found both types worked but I am investigating NOT using the normal presentation that cleverly keeps it moving . although I think this does work well and well enough I am wanting to hand out an impossible object immediately after a visably impossible action. This is what I am looking to create . Thanks for the input Bosley . roki |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
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On 2009-01-26 07:49, Mysterioii wrote: I have seen this described on another folding coin thread somewhere . have a search. |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
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On 2009-01-24 17:25, Jaz wrote: Hi Jaz , Thanks again for your input . Liked your site by the way as I love the impromptu magic. I want to borrow a bottle , coin , slam it through the bottom and hand it out . Hallelujah , it will be done !! Thanks for the tip and I do get it . Although I want to go a bit further , I agree you shouldnt let them handle your Johnson. Cheers Roki |
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hpcman New user NYC 68 Posts |
The Tango coin will absolutely stay open in the bottle. All folding coins if held by a spectator and shaken towards the opening have the possibility of folding and coming out. My point was that to get the coin to wedge properly in the neck of the bottle and to stay secretly in the spectator’s hand, you need a certain pressure, I am not getting in the Tango coin.
Yes, I am referring to the tango internal model. The profile of john Kennedys face is followed when the coin is cut. Yes overall the Johnson profile cut is the way to go. If however the tango has a profile cut external coin it might be equal to the Jonson, but I can’t talk about a product I have not tested. The Johnson currently fits the bill. But again, I would be reluctant to pass around the bottle and gimmick for two reasons. Close scrutiny will discover the coin is gimmicked and the possibility, although slight, it has happened to me were the person dropped and broke my bottle. |
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ladirector Regular user 128 Posts |
The Sasco profile cut works as well as Johnson, to me, other Johnson coins are superior to Tango, Sasco.
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Aaron Smith Magic Inner circle Portland, OR 1447 Posts |
I use Michael Kaminskas' coin in bottle routine. It is absolutely brilliant. You do not hand the bottle to the spectator, but due to the nature of the routine there is no need to. It is very clean and convincing. You produce a bottle, a coin penetrates the bottle (Very, Very Cleanly) you extract the coin, the bottle vanishes. It's real visual, I highly recommend it. Look for it in his book Miracle Material published by L&L. Good luck.
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