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Ziak
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Hi everyone,

I've been doing card tricks for a year and now I'm trying my best to be a mentalist. I want to know if I'm going in the right direction to be a mentalist or not. At the moment I'm reading introducing NLP, psychology subtleties, and muscle reading . I know there is a lot to learn so I would be more than happy if you guys can help me out.

Can you please tell me about how you got into magic, how many years and how did you improved and maybe if you are working as an magician, how did you find it? Many Many

Thanks

ZIAK Smile
Mago Mai
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Ziak:

Please,let us know a little more about yourself. All I can tell you by now is, that once you finish reading the books you mentioned, pick one of them and really start studying it.

Keep practicing with your cards. Show your magic around to your family and friends. Stand in fron of a mirror and imagine you are performing in front of a person or a crowd. See how you look, how you move. Can you fool yourself?

If you want to improve an effect you might want to do what I mentioned before. Also, look and study the best in your field.

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Try videotaping yourself. Also read a few books on psychology. NOT MAGIC BOOKS. Pshychology. Nothing too advanced, but enought to let you understand the inner workings of us bipeds and how your audience will interperet what you doing.

I think any magician, especially a mentalist, should REALLY understand and be able to read people. This includes looking for 'tells' such as nervousness or shifting eyes. Once you understand how the human mind works...you will be a lot better at fooling it.

You might want to check out the Fitzke Trilogy of books available at http://www.themagicwarehouse.com.

-The Trick Brain
-Magic by misdirection
-Showmanship for magicians

I myself have not read them yet, but they are on my wish list. Check out the link below to see what I mean:

http://www.themagicwarehouse.com/booksge3.html

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Dragona
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One thing that I have found works, is start with the more simple tricks. jlareau
is right, you need to know how the human mind works.
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Ziak,

Entering the field of mentalism is not a simple matter of learning a bunch of mental magic tricks and then declaring yourself a mentalist. Do that and you not only run the risk of boring your audience BUT also being nothing but a mental magician. Mentalism requires much strength of presentational skills let alone additional knowledge of methodologies and their applications.

You need to do much more work in performing itself (at least several years of continued presentations to help develop your skills on stage) and several years studying the methodologies and applications of them within mentalism before you can even consider this move. I do not intend to scare you off but merely offer you advice as far as the correct way to enter the "dark side".

Get a copy of "13 steps to mentalism" and start studying. Learn it chapter by chapter, skill after skill until you have mastered it all. Do not skip through it reading for "tricks". Learn each of these techniques (no matter how much you wish not to) and do not move on until you have mastered each of them. When you have done this (actually, half way through is usually enough to give you some background to expand your reading/study to several other books while you continue to learn 13 steps) and begin to read Bob Cassidy's "Principia Mentalia" and then follow with "Art of Mentalism 1" and then "Art of Mentalism 2", each of those require study, the same as 13 steps. Once you have done all of that, you will find yourself in a far better position to successfuly begin your entry into the world of Mentalism.

Feel free to write me privately if you wish to discuss this further.

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
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Justin McWilliams
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Thank you thought reader, you answered a question before I got to ask, can you really read minds? Thanks for the great advice, I'm going to begin looking into that myself.
Hey I'm a magician, i've never told a lie.....oops:o/
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Thoughtreader- Please explain what you mean by your statement "... correct way to enter the dark side".
I am just curious why you reference it that way.
Thanks.

GlenD
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Hello.

Three years after I got into magic I e-mailed Bob Kohler and asked him for some advice on becomeing a magician.

He gave me the best advice I have ever gotten in magic.

Here is some of the advice he gave me.

1. "Know who you are when you're doing magic"

Bob was talking about developing a persona or thruline (a performance personality).

You must know who you are when you are doing magic, even if it's just a theatrically enhanced version of yourself.

He used Derren Brown as an example and said how good he is at this and how his personality reflects the tricks he does.

I believe that this is very important in magic and requires much time and thought to figure out.

You may not find a performance personality tomorrow, but it helps to create a vision for yourself and follow it.

This way you know exactly who you are and what you are doing.

2. "Find the emotional hook".

Every routine you do must have a heart, a reason people should even bother to watch. You must find the emotional hook for each and every trick/effect/routine you perform.

In my opinion it isn't enough to simply make the four aces gather in one place.

Create an emotional hook. There are many, many ways to do this. For example you could tell a story. Not a silly story, a story that means something and gets the audience emotionally involved just like they do when they watch a play or a film or read a story. It's all about acting the part, and isn't that essentially what magic is, theatre?

I'm not to fond of story tricks myself so I find the emotional hook elsewhere depending on the occasion, even if it just means using borrowed coins from their pocket. I also think borrowing a ladies finger ring for an effect helps create a strong emotional hook with the magic you are about to perform. It just makes it that much more meaningful.

The best way, and also the most impractical is to do situational magic that depends on the individual person(s) interests and what have you?

I will use Derren as an example again, he's also very good at this.

Just watch him, he takes the persons interests and does a peice of magic using that as the reason to.

Notice how he talks to the exotic dances about how they always have men touching them and they don't like it, he then proceeds to do the touchng routine with them.

Or how he does ESP experiments with people who study ESP and telepathy.

Or cheating routines utilizeing psycology for people who play cards or work in casinos.

Or telling an ex used car salesman (expert in lying) when he is telling a lie.

How he tells people what they do for a living and what they would want to do.

Nearly every routine I've ever seen Derren do has a strong emotional hook and it's almost always about the people he is doing it for, he has their intrests at heart.

3. "Be relentless and diabolical, don't give up until you have the perfect method."

As far as using and/or creating effects and routines go, this peice of advice pretty much speaks for itself.

I hope this has given you something to think about, I know it did me.

John.

P. S. Bob did give me more advice then that but I think what I have shared is by far the most important and will give you more than enough to think about for the time being.
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On 2003-05-07 20:05, GlenD wrote:
Thoughtreader- Please explain what you mean by your statement "... correct way to enter the dark side".
I am just curious why you reference it that way.
Thanks.
GlenD


More of an inside joke really. Some mentalists (especially "bizarrists") use the term jokingly because there are some out there that assume we are using "dark powers", hence we joke about being on the "dark side" but not to worry because most of us only use our powers for good. Smile
PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
Canada's Leading Mentalist
http://www.mindguy.com
AB StageCraft
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GlenD
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Cool, thanks for responding!
I couldn't help wondering how far along the path to completing your journey to the dark side, you've gone (just kidding)... to quote from George Lucas.
Which reminds me of a story my nephew tells, from when he was a kid and about to get a spanking from his mom, when he uttered the words (taken from the same movie as above) ... "go ahead and strike me down and complete your journey to the dark side" !!! LOL, gutsy move on his part, but as I understand it he got the spanking just the same.
Thanks again, Thoughtreader.

GlenD
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