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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2009-01-28 10:02, DanielCoyne wrote:... Any tips on a chest-high version? Sure, think "bottom deal" as you do the count and take it easy on the swap on "two". IMHO it's very easy to DO but also very easy to trip over yourself if you watch while learning this. Bottom deal, bottom deal with takeback, bottom deal, bottom deal. Enjoy
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Lawrence O is extremely well versed in the false count arena! Based just on the bit he showed me and what we've discussed, I have become fascinated with the subject! I believe there may be a book in French that contains some of this brilliant thinking that I hope to study once it's translated!
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
Does anyone use the Zarrow Universal Count Grip as a method for the Elmsley? According to an article I read he used it for all of his false counts. I find it brilliant for a smooth Hamman Count but found it too awkward for just four cards.
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RPAYNE40S New user 44 Posts |
Speaking of the EC, I would love to see a DVD showing tons of different routines for it. So many people only use it for Twisting Aces. Does anyone know if this exists?
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RPAYNE40S New user 44 Posts |
Speaking of the EC, I would love to see a DVD showing tons of different routines for it. So many people only use it for Twisting Aces. Does anyone know if this exists?
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2009-01-28 10:02, DanielCoyne wrote: Doing the count with backs towards audience, audience tend to think that you are shifting the cards from back to front. By doing the count with backs towards up, audience can see that you are taking the cards into left hand (or into right hand). Hideo Kato |
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RPAYNE40S New user 44 Posts |
Has anybody seen a DVD that teaches the many uses of EC? I'd love to see that if not.
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RPAYNE40S New user 44 Posts |
I told Jay Sankey he should do one.
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
I must say I am very confused by this post. for many years, Elmsley 'counters' were doing the count at fingertips quite rapidly with their heads down watching the cards. The count was performed poorly by hundreds if not thousands of packet tricksters. then there seemed to be a change. expert magicians began instructing budding magicians to perform the count naturally and peel the cards off into the palm the way one normally would were they not doing a secret 'count'. Now here is a gentleman posting that he finds it more natural to do the count at fingertips. Daniel, with all due respect I'm curious as to why you feel this is more natural looking.
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greymagick New user Spain 53 Posts |
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On 2009-03-19 00:49, konjurer wrote: Overkill if you ask me. Of course, an accomplished performer may be able to make it look natural even for four cards, but I would not feel comfortable with it.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Take a look at Lawrence O's video. It would be great if he would put out a video about his counts. Great stuff.
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
I thunk I've seen Sankey use an Elmsley in maybe one of his videos. It's not something he uses much.
Although I'm not highly opinionated when it domes to most people's technique (different things work for different people), I woul be hard pressed to name anyone who does the finger tip version very well. It looks so unnatural to me, I think taking the cards into left hand dealer's grip looks the best. This is just my opinion, though.
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Steve James Veteran user 333 Posts |
Just getting off topic a wee bit,does anyone know why Alex Elmsley performed the count from his left hand when he was right handed?
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
When you think about it, a right-handed dealer holds the deck in left hand and deals using his right hand. I think that is consistent with the way Elmsley did it.
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jackofspades11 New user Salt Lake City, Utah 65 Posts |
I think the elmsley count using the finger tips looks really good and even a bit better than the "full on hand" method. If you can get the fingertip method down, I think it has the most convincing look.
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Steve James Veteran user 333 Posts |
Sorry Konjurer my mistake,Alex started with the 4 in his RIGHT hand.
Ive just watched the dvd again,I wonder why he did this? I think Aldo does it too. |
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
Actually, Elmsley started with cards in the left hand and counted them into the right hand. He started with the packet in left hand Finger Tip grip. His right hand would take the card in a right hand "loose" dealer grip. Aldo teaches the same method in his books.
I have the utmost respect for Alex Elmsley but I think his original method is not the best. It has evolved and gotten better. If you do his Ghost Count method or the finger tip method and you are getting great reactions, more power to you. As a hardcore student of false counts, I happen to think that the Dealer Grip method is the most natural looking and easiest to perform. The Ghost Count has a rather ackward "right finger tips under the card" dealer grip on the first card taken by the right hand. Alex did this as a means to push the first card back under the packet. I would argue that the Dealer Grip method starts and ends in the left hand which is more efficient for moving into other sleights and counts. It also provides cover for the dirty work when compared to the Finger Tip method. Tim
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
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I have the utmost respect for Alex Elmsley but I think his original method is not the best. I have to disagree with you here. I think Elmsley's original handling represents the best approach to this false count. I more often than not perform this exactly as Elmsley did: from left hand fingertip grip to right hand dealer's grip. This method hides the dirty work as well as any other method, and is the most natural way for me to count cards. It is also important (at least to me) that the cards end up in the opposite hand because this is how most laymen count cards (albeit from a different grip). I think it looks odd when the cards start and end in the same hand (and I'm guessing Elmsley did too). If you're after economy of motion then I see no harm in using this alternative handling, but I try to avoid it. Marty |
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
Marty, why do you think it looks awkward? To me, it looks totally natural. Otherwise I have to adjust my grip on the cards in my left hand to finger tip grip, then count them into my right hand and then transfer them into my left hand. That's a lot of movement.
I don't see how it's strange to count the cards into the same hand. You are simply gripping the cards with your right finger tips as your left hand takes them. Plus, it makes it easier to get breaks during the count so you can go right into doubles, etc when you count into your left hand.
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts |
While we are talking Elmsley variations, does anyone know who is credited for inventing what I call the Dealer Grip method? From my observation, I dare say this is the most commonly used method. Just to clarify, this display starts in left hand dealers grip and ends in the left hand. The count begins with a pivot of the top card with the left thumb. I've collected a lot of material on false counts and I have never seen this method credited to anyone nor given a name other than the Elmsley Count. Clearly, it is a different method than Elmsley's Ghost Count.
Before you suggest referencing Racherbaumer's Counthesaurus, take note that the Elmsley Count as taught in that good book is not the way Stephen Minch teaches in the Collected Works nor as Elmsley does in the Tahoe Sessions video. Racherbaumer teaches the "Dealers Grip" method but credits it as the Elmsley Count.
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