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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
The Roth "chink-a-chink" approach was useful to overcome the basic concern to start. Very close to Slydini's Fadeaway Coin.
For me the "ah-ha" moment was after hearing things like "wow that card split in two" a few times I decided to take advantage of my wet/tacky hands and come down for an instant to let the card stick on the off beat and then when comes time to make the card appear, let it drop. That gave me both the time and distance from the openly tabled cards for the appearance to work.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Jonathan, I agree with you that the appearance of the card as you state is much better. However if you have dry hands(like me) it is not possible to do it your way.
OT has a point here as well. I agree that there should be no doubt in the audiences mind that you are using only four cards. If they are not convinced of this then the jig is up. Also I have seen many magicians make the mistake(IMO) of placing the invisible card down on the table in a fashion that all but gives the method up. Great discussion.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If you're going for the card table presentation you can let the fifth card be a joker and use that to end with an unbeatable poker hand. IE you start by dealing yourself five cards, look them over and discard four of them and then start the traveling. That gives you plenty of time to find each ace and focus on both the audience and the magic rather than hunt for off-beats and worry over sleights.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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PaulGordon Elite user 475 Posts |
I think that there is so much "heat" on your hands throughout the routine (due to the basic premise of the trick) that it makes it a toughie to do for laymen. (Magicians just enjoy watching your skill...or, lack of it!) You may catch 'em on the first palm (invisible transfer), but after that - they are beedy-eyed watching and are "on" to you. So, in my opinion (obviously), the success of the routine relies on excellent technique! The only person I've seen perform it to perfection (technically) is my old pal Michael Vincent. As for the trick itself, it's not a favourite of mine as it seems to be a demonstration of "look-how-clever-I-am" overt skill and not one of "magic."
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
***Also I have seen many magicians make the mistake(IMO) of placing the invisible card down on the table in a fashion that all but gives the method up.***
edh, Are you referring to the spread? If so, I agree! I prefer the placement to appear as though it just arrived under the hand! I think a staggered placement helps with the illusion! Jon, I love the sticky palm drop! I unfortunately suffer dry hands as well! Paul, I watch Mike's version often as a model for what I'm after! In fact I watch A LOT of Mike's work as inspiration! Mick |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
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edh, Yes I'm referring to the spread and the movement of the hand when doing the laydown. I to am working with placing the card in a staggered position. I does help with the illusion.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Open Traveller Inner circle 1087 Posts |
The staggered layout doesn't just help with the illusion, it makes the illusion. Each card is not only to the right of the previous, but forward of it as well. It's a clearer picture.
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Open Traveller Inner circle 1087 Posts |
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As for the trick itself, it's not a favourite of mine as it seems to be a demonstration of "look-how-clever-I-am" overt skill and not one of "magic." A card cleanly disappears and then the same card appears somewhere else in a most baffling way. If that's not magical, then I don't know what is. I'll repeat: When it comes to effects in which something physically impossible happens to the cards, the Open Travelers is the single strongest effect at the magician's disposal. |
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Chris SD Special user 737 Posts |
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On 2009-01-31 00:21, lylemagic wrote: Whoah, slow down there tiger. Some of us happen to know that Bizarro worked a little "movie magic" on that last card, so unless the "lyle-style" vanish includes work on this, you might want to keep it quiet. |
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PaulGordon Elite user 475 Posts |
On 2009-02-01 01:54, Open Traveller wrote:
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The Open Travelers is the single strongest effect at the magician's disposal. "The Open Travellers" is the title of the trick, NOT an "effect" as you state. If I want to "make" a card vanish from one place to another (i.e., inhand packet to tabled packet), I can think of stronger tricks; in MY opinion. I'd rather make a signed card vanish from the deck and appear in my pocket. Paul Gordon |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
I watched the last vanish of christoper lyle's vanish.sorry but for me it is film editing..
I went back to see it again to make sure and the demo has been taken down just my two cents vinny |
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PaulGordon Elite user 475 Posts |
Dear Vinny,
Yes, I agree! PG |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
I took down the demo for several reasons...
1. I got tired of people saying "you must have done editing" to pull off how it was done. 2. I do the routine far better now and plan to reshoot in the next few weeks. I'll repost and let yall know once the new and improved version is up.
In Mystery,
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Open Traveller Inner circle 1087 Posts |
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"The Open Travellers" is the title of the trick, NOT an "effect" as you state. Hey, if you really want to spend time splitting hairs, "The Open Travelers" is a plot or a family of effects. Either way you want to call it, it doesn't mean anything toward this: Quote:
If I want to "make" a card vanish from one place to another (i.e., inhand packet to tabled packet), I can think of stronger tricks; in MY opinion. I'd rather make a signed card vanish from the deck and appear in my pocket. If you think of "The Open Travelers" as cards vanishing from one packet and reappearing in another, then you don't understand the effect. What you describe is definitely NOT what the audience sees. |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
RE: "a few times I decided to take advantage of my wet/tacky hands and come down for an instant to let the card stick on the off beat and then when comes time to make the card appear, let it drop."
I recall writing a letter to Harris with that idea after first reading his routine many years back. I structured into the presentation a moment where my palm covered my mouth in a 'pondering' pose and licked my palm (so dry hands were never a problem, Ed). Later Walt Lees told me Pat Page had worked on something similar, but actually contracting his palm and palming the card momentarily to get the illusion of the card dropping from the palm. Of course we're off topic as I believe the thread was started as a listing of the variants in print rather than discussion of the plot itself. Perhaps this should be split into two threads? Paul. |
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michaelvincent V.I.P. 567 Posts |
Thanks for the compliment Paul and Mickey.
I have performed this effect for lay people of and on for over twenty five years using a variety of techniques to compare audience response. From personal experience, and a little suggestion from the genius Paul Harris, I was able to redesign the "plot" in the mind of the audience. As a result, the effect has been nothing short of sensational for me in terms of communicating the notion of the plot. Once you understand the plot and what the audience is supposed to see and experience, you will experience this effect in a new light. Mike Vincent London
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Another handling is Terry LaGerauld's "Gambin' Shenanigans" from "Pasteboard Presentations" (1992). He states there the effect is enhanced by the aces travelling face up to their destination.
Also in the same book is "Beware of Strangers" which borrows the first part of the Open/Invisible routine and incorporates it into an excellent aces through table routine. Paul. |
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Chris SD Special user 737 Posts |
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On 2009-02-01 11:00, Open Traveller wrote: This is actually something that's occurred to me a number of times when reading "Open Travellers" routines. It seems as though magicians can't make up their mind as to whether the effect is that of the "invisible palm", or whether it is that of cards vanishing from one packet and appearing in another. Even within the same routine, magicians will often describe the handling of "invisibly palming" one or two cards, and then simply doing a vanish for the last card and revealing that there are now four cards on the table. |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I started working on "Gambin' Shenanigans" a couple weeks ago! I'm still in the mechanics stage but I think there are some cool possibilities! I haven't read "Beware of Strangers" yet but I do like Terry's thinking!
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Mickey, I actually preferred and used "Beware of Strangers" for a while.
To the list of variants possibly we should add the coin versions inspired by the plot? Open Travelers No.1 by Richard Kaufman Open Travelers With Edge Grip by Kaufman and Arthur Open Travelers No.2 by Geoffrey Latta These are detailed in "Coinmagic" by Richard Kaufman (1981) Paul. |
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