The best Sun & Moon routine?
I use Roger Klause's beautiful "Soleil Et Lune" routine, but have someone any tip for another nice routines for Sun and Moon?

-Morten-

Is there a video of soleil et lune available anywhere...I keep hearing about this routine but I don't know where to see it!

I have never seen any demo video, but Roger Klause teach it on this DVD :

http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/coinventio......b311b22e

If you are a "coin man", I mean this DVD is worth every $$.

-Morten-

I don't know if it is the best, but Mike Wild, who used to be a member at thecafe, but I have not seen him for a while, have an inexpensive ebook with 4 routines with the Sun&Moon gimmick.I like them.
Here is the link,
http://www.sundragonmagic.com/tavmag.htm

Pablo

I certainly won't claim "best" but I do have a couple routines: one called "EZ Triple Wild Coin" and another called "Fidget" that use the sun/moon. The sun/moon coin is a great gaff, underused, and fun to incorporate into existing copper/silver routines. Roger's routine is beautiful.

Check out the late Geoff Latta's routine on vol 4 of the New York Coin Magic Seminar series on Copper Silver.

Hi Gang,
I do have a few routines in print that use a sun and moon coin. Thay are a routine on my Coinjurer dvd ( Winged copper-silver) ! One Routine in my Japan notes. (Triple change wild Pg. 18) And one routine In my Heavy work made easy notes (Still tap danceing pg. 25) Ok thanks so much! Latter gang!

Mr. David N, You forgot "Triple Change Wild Coin" on your Coinjurer DVD.

Thanks guys, any more?

-Morten-

Samoya by Rob Thompson.

Hi MortenN,
Thanks man, It's the same routine That is in my Japan notes!

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Is Samoya published anywhere? I've seen the video, but would like to see a print copy.

Thankfully, I've got the Neighbors stuff covered (big grin).

What does really diferentiate a Sun and Moon routine from a Wild Coin routine? Naurally I have an opinion but could we define this together? Naturally the best routine can only be the one we design for ourselves having researched the path that smart coin magicians have opened for us and the subtle tools they supplied.

I didn't know about Samoya: where could I see it or read it or buy it?

Here is the summary list of routines I know of. It's pretty short.

Goshman, Albert. Modern Coin Magic by J.B. Bobo The Sun And Moon.

Kaps, Fred (edited by Pete Biro): Fred Kaps Lecture Book 1972 Magic Inc. P 6 Sun and Moon in Spectator's Hand: half and penny exchange in spectator's hand (uses Half, C/S, English Penny [)

Klause, Roger. Richard’s Almanach. Sun and Moon. & COINvention Inaugural Collection DVD. A very clean fantastic routine with a perfect dramatic presentation by its author. The concept of the shell starting over the C/S which is then transferred over the copper coin supplying two C/S coins, and the way it is used, is brilliant and opens unexplored possibilities.

Latta, Geoff: NY coin DVD Copper Silver Vol 4. Sun and Moon. In the bonus section, Geoff presents some good variants around the concept of eclipse. His script would have benefited from knowing better about the conundrum of the sphinx to Oedipus.

Neighbors, David: Coinjurer DVD Winged copper-silver and Triple Change Wild Coin & Japan notes p. 18:Triple change wild & Heavy work made easy notes p. 25 Still tap dancing

Thompson, Rob : Samoya ( ?)

Wild, Mike. 4 illusions with the Sun and Moon. Tavern Magic 2. Total Eclipse, Quantum Mechanics, Premonition V, Equinox.

There seem to be two different things under discussion here. Some of the routines named above are variations on Albert Goshman's Sun and Moon routine. Others are different routines, with different effects, that utilize the same gaff as the Goshman routine.

The original Sun and Moon routine starts with a very clean transposition of a copper and a silver coin. The transposition is repeated with an uniquely visual aspect, where the silver coin seems to travel from hand to hand in full view. I would submit that these are the defining characteristics of the Goshman routine.

While it's generally a good idea to check on the credits given by Bobo, I must admit that I have never asked whether the routine and the design of the gaff both originated with Goshman. Certainly he was clever enough to come up with these things, and Goshman's "Incredible Marked Coin Transposition" also in Bobo's, seems to be the precourser to the Sun and Moon, but it seems odd that Goshman would take this approach of designing a special gaff, and then having it made, and then never use as much as a ] or a c/s in the rest of his known work.

I think it's also worth noting that Milt Kort's "Protean Coin" uses pretty much the same gaff as S&M, and it appeared in the first edition of MCM, years before S&M appeared in the second edition. Does anyone know the truth?

Roger Klause's "Soleil Et Lune" routine, is it in printed form anywhere?

-Morten-

Yes, it appears in Richard's Almanac.

Okay, thanks Mr. Curtis.

-Morten-

Have a look at Hofzinser's trick using the basic gaff.

Then consider what Bob Elliot's routine using the slippery sam combination coin set looks like.

;)

Okay - when you "get" the basic look/feel of the trick - have a good look at what's in Scot's Discovery of Witchcraft and ask yourself what folks were really doing back then.

Then go ahead and check out the recent work offered in the Theory11 product and perhaps also get yourself a magnetic c/s gaff to take the trick full circle.

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What exactly is a "Sun & Moon (S/M) Coin Set"??

I have a Hopping Half Set with this S/M coin encompassing a C/S coin (cut down), an English Penny Sh***, and an Expanded English Penny Sh***. Is this the proper S/M set or is it or is it reversed with Half Dollar Sh***'s??

I'm confused with an ordinary S/M coin set consists of.
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What no Bobo's????

Off to secret sessions?

or got a blasted! coin?

Salby - that's the traditional S/M. The Klause routine requires a variation on that gaff.