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charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
Arun Bonerjee has told me that there was a card stack for regular cards that was published in Abra magazine. He could not remember the details ... did not give me a date or an author. Does this ring a bell with anyone??? If anyone has a reference, I would REALLY appreciate it.
Cheers ....... Charles |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Since Abra has been produced weekly for over 60 years the words needle and haystack come to mind. Good luck with your search.
Paul. |
james1a Loyal user 209 Posts |
Hi:
There is an index for Abra on CD, find someone who has it. james1a |
syd_uk New user London, UK 81 Posts |
Charles
Is it possible that you are referring to Stackit by Robbie Dutta, which was published in volume 127 this January? Syd |
charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
I have finally managed to make contact with Arun Bonerjee who devised and began using an ESP stack quite some years ago. He said he got the idea from an article published in Abra magazine for a stack for regular playing cards, that was published sometime from 1985 onward. Sam Dalal mentions Bonerjee's stack in the 3rd revised and enlarged edition of "Magic with an ESP Deck", which was published in 1995. So that helps cut down the haystack quite a bit!! The article I am looking for should be somewhere between 1985 and 1995.
I do not have access to back issues of Abra, and to my knowledge, it is not available digitally. If anyone has access to the digital index that James1a mentions, I would appreciate it if you would let me know how to obtain it. If anyone has back issues, I would REALLY appreciate it if you would check for me to see if you can locate that article. Also, if anyone has contact information for the current editor of Abra, I would greatly appreciate it if you would pm me that information. The article certainly would not be the one you mentioned, Syd. This past January is far too recent, but I do appreciate the suggestion. Cheers ..... Charles |
syd_uk New user London, UK 81 Posts |
Charles
Good luck tracking down the back issue. I know that International Magic in London have a load of back issues that they sell off occasionally. It might be worth talking to them. Looking in the back of ABRA's January issue, they give the publisher's information. I'd rather not post addresses and numbers on here for privacy reasons, but if you are interested, PM me. Syd |
charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
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On 2009-03-13 06:14, syd_uk wrote: Thanks for your help, Syd. I have sent you a pm. Cheers .... Charles |
charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
Thanks to everyone for searching and for your suggestions. I have finally found the information, thanks entirely to the efforts of Peter Pedaja. He says:
"... in issue 2282, 1989 [of Abracadabra] there is a stack by Christoffer Harrison titled Eight Kings Plus which avoids the alternating red black colors of the Eight King stack. It caused some interest and 4 further developments/improvements were published in issue 2285." "In Abracadabra Issue 2326 August 25 1990 Arun Bonerjee describes his stack of 20 ESP cards - they look thoroughly mixed no cyclic order rotation of the symbols. He refers to Christopher Harrison and the Eight Kings Plus setup which inspired him to develop this ESP stack." Now you know .... Cheers .... Charles |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
We can do better than the admittedly subtle Arun Bonerjee stack.
Check my stack combination in the Secret Sessions at http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......tart=0#3 There is no detectable cyclic order rotation but the possibilities are much more varied. Think about Gilbreath Principle then, or about Palindromic Stack possibilities, or cards detections with the spectator using half the deck cutting it to chose a card, replacing it himself and shuffling the cards himself. Thanks to the combination of the stack and of the marking the magician can locate the card he doesn't know and find its mate face down in the spread other half. Even though the stack is not gambling oriented, the possibilities are larger than with any other stack and it can be learned in a fraction of the time required for any other stack.
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charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
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On 2009-03-20 05:50, Lawrence O wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. I think perhaps you misunderstood my reasons for search. I am not particularly interested in card stacks for regular playing cards, though of course there are many ingenious ones around. I was merely looking for a historical reference to such a stack because of Arun's reference to it. I am primarily interested in stacks for ESP cards, of which Arun's is one of the earliest published. In my own research, I have developed literally hundreds (probably over 1000) of algorithmic stacks for ESP cards, both with and without colors ... for sets of 2, 3, 4, 5 (the "official" deck), 6, 7, 8, and more sets of 5 symbols. These stacks are determined by simple mathematical principles, are cyclic, the last card leading to the first, but contain no sub-cycles. One of the first stacks I discovered was the same one Arun published. I am writing up my material and wish to give credit where credit is due ... hence I am trying to track down Arun's references. I am not particularly interested in marked cards or one-way backs. And yep, I know about Osterlind's work. Cheers .... Charles |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Do you intend to publish your work?
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charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
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On 2009-03-20 13:40, Lawrence O wrote: Well, probably not in the formal sense. Most likely I will distribute it as a pdf file, most likely for free (I do this for fun, not for money!!) to a few interested parties. But I have made no firm decisions yet, as I do not like to feel the pressure of promised deadlines. Cheers .... Charles |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
I can understand this. I use the café to be able to do it. Naturally, its not really adapted to long works but one can spread it over several posts covering topical angles.
Cheers
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charlesgmorgan Regular user 199 Posts |
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On 2009-03-21 05:16, Lawrence O wrote: Something for me to consider ...... Cheers ...... Charles |
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