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Dick Oslund
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On Feb 17, 2009, Bill Palmer wrote:
Ah, yes, the famous "groat and bason" trick.

I don't think what we see in Scot or Hocus Pocus, Jr. has anything near the refinement or quality of the work Slydini did with lapping as a real technique.
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On 2009-02-14 03:52, Jonathan Smith wrote:
I'll have to look that up. Do you do any material from Discoverie?

If you do a cut and restored rope, or a version of Grandmother's necklace, you are, essentially, performing material from Discoverie.


On July 4, 1941, I was 8 years old, just starting in magic, and a sideshow magician in the Bud E. Anderson Circus Side Show "tipped the gaff" to me, on the "vanishing square knot that had been used to tie two bandannas together". (In Scot's Discoverie...", I, much later, learned, IIRC, it was called, "to untie a knot with words".) The "infinitive" (to) was almost standard in books like Hoffman's (Angelo Lewis) "Modern Magic", to "title" a trick.

Slydini used the method, and developed a technique for "DOING THE WORK", and, also, PRESENTING a routine that made the PERFORMANCE entertaining to a modern audience. He did it so well, that the trick is now called by the younger generation of magicians, "The Slydini KNOTS".

At 8, I didn't have the manual ability to actually DO the trick. I knew how it was DONE, but, it was a few years before I could DO it! THEN, it was a few more years of of practice, and and thought to figure out how to DO it, SO THAT IT ENTERTAINED AN AUDIENCE!

I've used it in almost every show, since!
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Hi everyone, I'm preparing a close-up routine, I'm gonna be doing it standing up and I have to lap some cards, I would really use some help from you for any advice of what to use for this kind of lapping. Thanks to everyone. Best regards. Augusto
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On May 28, 2011, joe yang wrote:
Those of us who don't have the historical perspective of Bill or Jonathan don't understand a lot of pre-Houdin sleight of hand isn't documented. We can reconstruct it from performance documentation. It seems likely that a "poisonous feast" taken at a table in a pub might have involved some lapping.

My own exploration of Indian and Asian street theater is evolving into some seated, cross legged and kneeling performances which present some interesting opportunities for lapping. For that matter, sleeving into a kimono is a hoot.

Not having Bill or Jonathan's expertise, my work is not authentic. It is interpretive, presenting traditional routines, but taking full advantage of modern methods. The traditional, Asian stuff people have shown me over the years doesn't hold up to modern magic. There isn't much reason to assume older Western illusions where much stronger. Lapping has probably been around forever in some form. Card cheats and quacks couldn't really be expected to publish their methods.


Eric Jones has some good work on this idea.
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