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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts |
Teaching and presentations.
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onbekende020 New user Netherlands 89 Posts |
Thanks for the comments ya'll!
Just got the GPS set, so Fast comapany has to wait a little.... 020 |
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DNshade New user 94 Posts |
Thanks for the kind words guys. I just checked in here and saw this thread. And thank you silverking for your reply about the "review" in Genii. Pretty much sums up my - and many others thoughts on that lovely piece of yellow journalism. The real reason for that is a personal vendetta by a certain someone that I won't go into here.
And just for your info matu - I didn't "expose Giorgio's bottom deal" since my method (and Tony's method) is as old as base dealers have been around. It's just my version of this old move. I was doing that deal and many others and actually demoed it to Tony the first time Earl Nelson introduced me to Tony nearly 20 years ago - long before he published his version of it. It's just my take on how to do a bottom deal based on many different sources and touches I have figured out on my own. Had Mr. Stinett even asked around to anyone who knows anything about such things he would've found that out. But whatever - the old saying about opinions....All of my friends and guys who actually know something about cards all just laughed at the review and how painfully obvious what was really going on with it and what was behind it. Anyway - the "Scarne Ace cutting" is just a straight forward routine that I use and is most similar to Bill Malone's that he did on Hidden Secrets. I made sure Bill was okay with it of course before I put it out there since they are similar. Again, thanks for the kind words everyone and feel free to PM me or post for any other questions comments etc. And one of these days, Dustin and I will bump into each other in a dark alley...
Damian Nieman
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David Thomas New user 22 Posts |
Thanks for letting us know Damian.....
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Just My Two Cents
Silverking excellent review, I couldn't have explained it any better Now if Damian did steal Mr. Giorgio's bottom deal and didn't acknowledge it than he's was wrong but if he didn't he has the right to do with his whatever he wants. To my readers who have followed my videos and writings and who know who I am (Doc the gambler) I highly recommend the gambling part of Fast Company; I'm not into magic so I couldn't be fair in judging that part. Those of you who are really into gambling this video is a must have for your collection. It has Doc's seal of approval. Damian..."the alley?" You're starting to sound like me now. LOL Respectfully, Doc |
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C. Loubard Special user 615 Posts |
Just to be clear on something, Damian doesn't have to credit anyone if he chooses not to. Its cool if he does, but is under no legal obligation. Now, if he would have, word for word, used someone Else's explanation, he then could be in trouble.
The problem with Dustin is he couldn't see the forest for the trees. he couldn't put his prejudices aside and review it for what it was, obvious from his rant on genii. he should have reviewed it in two parts 1) content of material 2) personal frustrations with the producers. In this part of the world (gambling and cheating), I respect those who don't tip and/or those who give proper credit... the irony is beautiful; But, if you do tip and not give proper credit I could care less. ... I've never met bigger whiners than magicians. it really is sickening to hear and read all the bable from this world; "exposure this, credit that, my pass is better than his, so forth and so on" blah blah blah blah blah. One thing I must say about Dustin and give him props for, I like that he reviews the good and the bad. Not very many magazines will print bad reviews. They rather not print the review at all. A tip of the hat to you for being that way, Dustin. |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
The Genii boys are trying to "rebrand" what's obviously a highly personal attack on Nieman into some sort of "public service".
It apparently doesn't take much more than the truth to get a rise out of either of them. Kaufman and Sinett have used Genii as a public platform to engage in a personal attack on Damien Nieman.......it isn't any more complex than that. |
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C. Loubard Special user 615 Posts |
Brad Henderson, this is your post on the genii forum
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And check out C Loubard, he writes (and as I am not quoting everything "word for word", I know he will have no problem with it): Actually, I do mind. Quote:
"Just to be clear on something, Damian doesn't have to credit anyone if he chooses not to. Its cool if he does, but is under no legal obligation. . . In this part of the world (gambling and cheating), I respect those who don't tip and/or those who give proper credit... the irony is beautiful; But, if you do tip and not give proper credit I could care less. What happened to this part, "Now, if he would have, word for word, used someone Else's explanation, he then could be in trouble." please go back and quote me correctly. |
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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts |
Thanks Damian and Doc for popping in here, it's always great to hear from two guys that I hold in the highest esteem.
For the record, 'Fast Company' is brilliant. Get it, watch it and you'll love it, I'm sure. Damian offers up some real gems, wonderfully executed and expertly taught. What more could you want? Actually, here's what else I want: 'Fast Company - Part 2'. Let's just hope for another writer's strike in Hollywood! Cheers from Down Under, Jason |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
C. Loubard,
I think you missed a little irony within Brad's post. You wrote: "Now, if he would have, word for word, used someone Else's explanation, he then could be in trouble." Brad specifically pointed out that he wasn't quoting you word for word. Ergo: He's not in trouble (you won't mind). Of course, you fell right into his trap and did mind. Humor + Internet = Huh? Jason
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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C. Loubard Special user 615 Posts |
Well, Jason if that was the intent, I apologize. However, omitting that from his post on the Genii Forum gives it a whole different meaning.
If that is what was meant, I will apologize to him on the other forum. |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
A lot of bluster on the Genii forum, with absolutely nothing behind it of course.
Perhaps Kaufman should man-up and say "yes, we used my magazine to attack Nieman personally", and quit pretending that Sinettt's review was anything more than using the magazine as a platform to launch that personal attack (then using the Genii forum to perpetuate it). |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
I just read the review and some Stinett's posts. What about the answers to some of the questions he asks of Nieman? If he could answer them it would take the heat off of him.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
I never knew that richard kaufman is god.
No wonder jerry sadowitz has such strong opinions on the guy. And I thought some of our threads were mean spirited. IT IS A GREAT DVD SET. MANY THINGS TAUGHT WELL. PERIOD. the thread on the genii forum is here, with the review in the last post. http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubbt......st187744 a good idea (I admit I am nitpicking) of the kid of "writing" is this sentence... " For example, I found out from two separate (and trustworthy) sources that Mr. Nieman never met Dai Vernon let alone knew or studied with him. Yet several times he implies a familiarity with Vernon that is, to me, just plain creepy." first, how many times have people spoken or written about the professor that havent known him? Its like talking about how Larry Bird shot a basketball, he was the king, and he is revered for it. And "... never met Dai Vernon let alone knew or studied with him" what? if he never met him, then he never knew him... I have traded many Pms with Daimen, and he is a very helpful, standup guy. no surprise, the guys at genii are not. ( I also highly doubt that the credits section was put in the dvd because Jason England wanted it in there. Im sure he had a hand in it, but I bet Damien would have put it in there) kevin
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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DNshade New user 94 Posts |
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On 2009-02-16 22:32, edh wrote: Wow. I just saw the Genii thread and am amazed. Don't people really have better things to do? Unbelievable. I so didn't want to go into things...But since I don't hang on the Genii forums or post there - and they seem to be all ears about this little area, I'll answer some questions here. Genii Questions asked... ***My answers. Is there material that is on the DVDs that is not yours that you used without permission from the people named in the review? ***Not that I'm aware of or by any of the other knowledgeable people I had look at it before I put it out. Did you ask permission from any of the named people other than Bill Malone? ***Yes. Those I thought I needed permission from. Specifically: Did you ask permission from Tony Giorgio? ***Tony and I were once close and have long since parted ways. Why would I ask permission for something I had been playing with for a long time even before meeting Tony? He and I used to sit dealing to each other each trying to get bottoms and seconds by each other. And yes - this was before his bottom deal notes. We used to argue about who's bottom deal was better and more natural. By the way - it's a freaking move...not a routine and patter. That's like someone claiming the riffle shuffle or second deal. I don't remember DVDs always giving credit to Walter Scott every time they do a strike second deal (and by the way- guys were doing strike seconds long before Scott). My second deal is probably quite a bit different than they way Walter probably actually did it. Is it still his? And Tony wasn't the first one to do this type of bottom for ****'s sake! My bottom deal is just my version of a very old technique - based on all kinds of peoples takes on it and maybe even - some of my own work? Hey, Steve's GPS videos have basically the same move on there in the 80's! I guess Tony must have tipped it to Steve right? But oh my GOD - no credit is given on the GPS! Let's kill Steve! ***By the way...Where are the credits on the GPS or Richard Turner's DVDs or any of the other myriad of DVDs and videos...That's because they are moves people - not routines! Oh yeah...and where was Tony's credit to Steve since the GPS predated his notes by about 15 years or more. Don't remember any credits on Tony's notes at all come to think of it. ***And to quote Dustin, "Tony gets credit for refining the move. It lacked some "elegance" that he brought to it. That's what made it "his." He's never claimed that the basis of the underlying deal was his." ***Well if that is the standard for claiming ownership - My bottom is different - different grip - modified Erdnase, timing of the squeeze out, the take, etc. And I never claim ownership on the underlying moves on anything on the DVDs. ***Tony and I were quite close till the whole Castle fiasco thing (which this is collateral damage from)...and again really didn't want to go into it here. And as for the "Shade" theft thing...please. Anyone who would like the real story here - feel free to PM me - quite entertaining actually. Moving on. Did you ask permission from Steve Forte? ***Yes. Got total permission from Steve for any and all the things that were his. You claiming that I didn't is totally FALSE and a boldfaced lie. Did you ask permission from David Malek? ***Why would I ask Malek permission for anything? Did you ask permission from Martin Nash? ***I've known Martin for years. What would I ask his permission about? For using a crimp card to cut to the aces? Didn't know that was his. His crimp? Seems like similar stuff has been around for a long time too. I explain about the way I make my crimp and how it's similar to Martin's Infinity, The Breather, etc. Right there on the DVD. By your own admission, is the only person you cleared anything with Bill Malone? ***Um...no. Bill and any others I felt I needed to. The reason I made a deal about Bill was because my presentation is quite similar to his - Scarne story etc. Did the pages of credits appear at the end only because Jason England put in the all the work to research and write them and also insisted on their inclusion (otherwise no credit whatsoever would have appeared on this set)? ***Um...again. No. Totally false. Where the h*** are you getting your info from? Jason volunteered to help with the credits as he does for quite a few of his friends. And even if your statement was true, (which it isn't) it's still on the DVD isn't it? What the **** man? Do you believe getting a movie made in Hollywood exempts you from the standard protocols within the magic community? ***Wow. No. Sorry about making a movie I thought the magic community would like. Last time I do that. A lot of bitter people out there. And "the standard protocols in magic" seem to be different for different people now don't they? I guess if I totally ripped off someone's video almost shot for shot in the late 1980's that would be fine right? (You know who you are.) How many DVDs, videos, books do I have on my shelf - none of which give much if any credit. I believe that Fast Company's references and credits was much more complete and in depth than most. Now none of these past projects do I remember getting burned in a review like this. I don't care about someone's opinion. If they like my DVD or my films or hate them fine. But to bring in outside stuff into a review that has nothing to do with the project in question is totally unprofessional. As for the dark alley comment - humor a concept you don't quite get? I'll be more than happy to meet you in a brightly lit room any day. I hope this at least sheds some light on subjects that have been brought up. Again - if you hate the DVDs fine. More power to you. I just felt that I had to answer some things out here. Now I hope maybe we can move on to more important stuff...like who really came up with Invisible Palm Aces. What a hobby.
Damian Nieman
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
I have a question - did fast company send the DVD's in to Genii to be reviewed?
Or did they - buy them and review them? Thanks in advance.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Sinett's pledge to protect the record, and accurately record the history of magic is grossly flawed.
His writing both in the magazine and on the forum is ripe with lies, innuendo, false assertions, and fabrications. It would appear that the proper course would be for Kaufman to offer a retraction of the original, highly personal attack which is being foisted on Genii (and now Genii forum) readers as a legitimate review, and then to offer Nieman a published apology. The credibility of Genii took a hit when the original review was published, but it's gone down the drain with the recent posts on the Genii forum from Sinett and Kaufman attempting to "clarify the issue". |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I never read the review in Genii but the comments made by both Dustin and Richard on the forum sure don't make em look very professional! As I mentioned in the earlier part of this topic FC is one of my favorite DVD sets and I'll bet I've watched SHADE a dozen times! ACES in my book Damian!!!!!!!
I wonder if RK got permission from Gabe Kaplan for stealing his look on his Pass video!?!?!? And who the hell wears running shoes with a suit? TACKY TACKY TACKY! |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Mick that comment about gabe kaplan still has me laughing. soooo true
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
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On 2009-02-17 12:13, MickeyPainless wrote: Wait. People here accuse Dustin and Richard of using Genii as a cover for a personal attack on Neiman, yet no one has problems with making these accusations without any support and childish name calling? Quote:
On 2009-02-16 11:57, silverking wrote: So, Silverking, why would RK and Stinnett need or want to attack Neiman? You made a claim, now back it up. If you can't, recant. I have no dog in this fight. I don't have a relationship with Damien, and my encounters with him have always been polite. I have not seen the DVD and have no opinion on it. My issue is with the nature of the discourse. So Silverking,if you are going to make accusations, please back them up. Brad Henderson |
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