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Monsieur Las Vegas New user 45 Posts |
@ Christopher & thchang:
For a signed coin or impromptu with a borrowed can you can perform the version like CA does (on his DVD Masterminds Vol 1). The other question is, is the effect realy stronger, if the coin is signed? What I'm concerned, I say yes by performing for magician but not by performing for laymen. They would be blowed, they don't think about switches and others. They see a coin/ key and a can and a penetration. For me, there is in such a penetration not a must for a signature. (In my opinion, I prefer signatures on a coin bending but not necessarily in a penetration). @ thchang: It must not necessarily be the question if is impromptu for you. What may count more is, if it seems for the spectator to be impromptu or not. So if there is a prep needed, then prep a can, buy an other one in front of the specs eyes do a can switch and blow them with a well performed penetration. What leaves the impression is our performance, how we sell us and an effect, not the trick. Just my view, others are welcome. |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
Monsieur Las Vegas, to cause controversy, I knew the answer to my question before I even asked it. The reason I asked is to allow Magicians to think before they buy. Too many times on the Café, a product is hyped, and Magicians buy it, only to give it bad reviews etc, saying they wish they hadn't bought it due to being misleading etc...whereas if a Magician just stopped and thought for a moment, and questioned just how logical and practical does the effect sound (We all know what a dealer ad is supposed to do), then only the people that knew it couldn't be done with a signed object would buy it, thus allowing more positive reviews, that what would occur if people didn't stop and question themselves first.
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Monsieur Las Vegas New user 45 Posts |
Christopher Williams, that's a good point!
Just like a person recommends angora cats to another, who then buys one. And a week later reminds that he nothing hates more than cats ;-) |
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davidpeters Loyal user 213 Posts |
Addict is now in stock at Murphy's wich means you should be able to get this from your favorite dealer world wide.
As a note: there is no dialogue, just music. But you can select subtitles in English and German. It is easy to follow and understand what is being taught. There will be some set up time required. Not something you would just decide to do at a party on the spur of the moment. But you can come to the party ready if you plan ahead. You can put just about anything in the can so there are many more possible options.
David Peters
Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. www.murphysmagic.com[url] www.youtube.com/murphysmagic www.myspace.com/murphysmagic www.twitter.com/murphysmagic |
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Monsieur Las Vegas New user 45 Posts |
Surprisingly I've received mine today. So my review will be here in about an hour.
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2423 Posts |
Great!! Could you also make a comparison with the routine performed by Chris Angel? Thanks!
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Monsieur Las Vegas New user 45 Posts |
Review of Addict:
DVD:
Effect:
Preparation:
Handling:
Goldeneye007, comparison with the CA routine (Masterminds Vol 1):
Conclusion: Addict or/ and CAs?
Hope it helps, and you may understand my English |
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Monsieur Las Vegas New user 45 Posts |
Adding:
It's like real magic. Imagine: You have a full, sealed can. You or even the spectator shakes it, nothing suspicious. You take a coin or wathever you want and slam it through the can. By shaking the can again, the coin is sounding from inside. This alone would be blowing. Then it's the spec who oppens the can and lets drop the coin outside. The whole thing happens in the specs hands. And this is the absolutely great part of addict. |
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David Ethan New user France 35 Posts |
DVD using my technique "Spirit Can" (booklet sold since 2006) without my permission !!!
http://www.david-ethan.com/spiritcan-us.php http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=5
David Ethan
www.david-ethan.com |
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Stefan Sch. New user Switzerland 26 Posts |
Hi
Edo came with this idea already years ago, even before the version from W. Houchin. He came up with the idea in 2005 in the time he was working on Pyrofreak, but he wanted to focus on Pyrofreak and other electronic gimmicks. In that time he simply didn't want to market it. I don't know what is the technique that you are using and even Edo doesn't know it. He developed it completly undependent from your. |
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goldeneye007 Inner circle London 2423 Posts |
Thanks for your review Mr Las Vegas!
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David Ethan New user France 35 Posts |
It's usual to check that an effect doesn't already exist when you put an effect on the market.
It's very easy with an efffect using can, there's just a few on the market... This is called "respect".
David Ethan
www.david-ethan.com |
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chrisgali Regular user 161 Posts |
..ok that means I need to palm whatever away, like the coin or key...but how to palm a lemon if I`ve put a second lemon inside before?
So I can not borrow a key,...I have to switch it before I can give it away..is that right? ...I get a dvd discribing how to "open and seal the can again"? What about the other methods with the opened can? |
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David Ethan New user France 35 Posts |
Quote:
...I get a dvd discribing how to "open and seal the can again"? That, it's my technique, "Spirit Can"...
David Ethan
www.david-ethan.com |
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Monsieur Las Vegas New user 45 Posts |
Chrisgali,
no you can't doing it with a borrowed key. A effect with open cans is: you put a coin into can A. Then push can A to can B and the coin penetrates from can A to can B. The answer about the lemon I send you a PM. Does the Addict use the same technique like the Spirit Can from David? I asked him per PM and he answered, he is sure. I don't know, think I have to order the Spirit Can to compare and know it. |
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Stefan Sch. New user Switzerland 26 Posts |
First of all: We never wanted to offend somebody or to disrespect somebody with the launch of Addict.
Before we started with the production of Addict we did a search if there is a similar effect to Addict. We didn’t find anything. There was only the one from Wayne Houchin. The effect of Addict is different to “Spirit Can”. After watching the demos of “Spirit Can” I see that with the technique of Addict you can perform the effects of Spirit Can, but we never had the idea of such effects. But I still don’t know the technique that is used for “Spirit Can” and if it is exactly the same. Edo had the idea of a penetration effect with small objects. The can can be given to a spectator and be shaken – nothing to hear. After the penetration the object is inside the can. The effects taught with Spirit can are different. And there are two additional effects on the DVD with empty cans, that have a completely other technique than the one with the sealed full can. There are many tricks on the market with the same technique, but different effects. But I can not compare the techniques at the moment. |
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Stefan Sch. New user Switzerland 26 Posts |
I just had a longer discussion with Edo. He told me that the basic idea came in the middle of the 90's from a hobby magician in the Netherlands.
The technique was than misused in the 90’s to smuggle drugs from the Netherlands into a foreign countries. Today it still exists in some coffee shops in the Netherlands which sell soft drugs in drinking cans. The technique was developed for souvenirs to make the preparation faster. There are even cnc-lathe equipped to make winding into cans and hairspray cans, fish cans and other cans to pack all kind of souvenirs: towels, soaps, ... That is another application, but the technique of "putting items into a can" already exists more than 10 years. I hope that this fact ends now the discussion of who had the basic idea. It was neither David nor Edo. Edo had seen such cans in the Netherlands and developed his own technique. He had tested 4 different techniques (before 2005) and the best technique is now what is used in Addict. Edo just developed his own technique (which is in its detail) a bit different to the technique of David. I don’t want to explain too much … Edo’s technique is a safe technique and makes a can just like a new one which can be thoroughly examined and give to a spectator. |
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davidpeters Loyal user 213 Posts |
I am real happy that Stefan and David worked this out. I will give my input now.
I think both items are Great! Addict routine and primary effect is coin or key into can. There are several ways to do this and extra effects. Spirit can routine and primary effect is the contents of the cans switching places or is something out of the norm (I really like the orange soda that pours out clear and then orange powder comes out) and there is a great spirtit straw trick too! So, even though the basic technique may be similar in both products, the both have great contents and different routines. My recomendation is get both!
David Peters
Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. www.murphysmagic.com[url] www.youtube.com/murphysmagic www.myspace.com/murphysmagic www.twitter.com/murphysmagic |
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indomagic Inner circle 1140 Posts |
Hi Dave
I like your recommendation and will order both. |
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David Ethan New user France 35 Posts |
Never been in Netherlands, never heard about this technique to sell drugs in coffe shop.
"Spirit Can" is a safe technique and makes can which can be examined by spectator too. In Magic, the reference stay the first publication.
David Ethan
www.david-ethan.com |
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