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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Make your own 'facts'. Like a stage hypnotist. Use the tendency for members of the audience to follow your lead and WANT to please. Learn to selectively choose your 'victims' (volunteers).
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
As you will recall
From those tomes old and musty Thems what realisms wont have books written by those who don't
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Wasn't there a phone number scratched under that?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
“We cannot change our memories, but we can change their meaning and the power they have over us”
-David Seamands- Perhaps we can change the meaning of *their* memories?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Isn't changing "the meaning of *their* memories" precisely what magic is about?
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Lawrence O,
Interesting! I do not know...is it? What do you mean?
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
Roberto Giobbi discusses "reverse conditioning"--similar in nature to preconditioning. Instead of creating a false assumption, the backward conditioning is supposed to create a false memory. The magician, in Giobbi's example, reaches back under a silk handkerchief where he has just previously placed a load but this time with the palm fully exposed. The viewer may falsely remember that the hand was empty every time that it went under the silk handkerchief. (There are other cover motivations, ruses, and attention direction in play, but for simplicity's sake I just mention the backward conditioning.)
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
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Nosretep New user 20 Posts |
And someone said, "are you sure you want to go there"? Gee, and it was such an innocent question about research on false memories. Actually, I think psychologists would enjoy studying the justifications, ideas, and effects that magicians (think they) employ to alter memories. I don't think magicians will learn much from the psych research, but some might. Loftus' research on the "misinformation effect" and related research on what is called "reality monitoring" problems are probably relevant here as they show that distracting ideas and the use of imagination can sometimes promote confusions about what did take placer versus what was suggested or imagined. Again, I think magicians already know this in practice.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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I don't think magicians will learn much from the psych research, but some might. What brings you to this opinion?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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And someone said, "are you sure you want to go there"? Gee, and it was such an innocent question about research on false memories. As that "someone" who has watched stories develop over years about recovered memories and how often these were in fact elicited by the manner of questioning... yes I too doubt folks here are going to do well with the process of creating false memories - BUT - I did also give a pointer to the tools by naming them and then waited for folks to ask the pertinent questions. Ever hear the expression "you broke it you bought it"? Apply that to this context. Now if you REALLY want to get technical, you can apply that same process to establishing beliefs. Why yes those trees grew from these little seeds and I even have some beans here which will grow as high as you can see and keep growing. I got them from a man who chopped down a vine so high it got lost in the clouds.
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
Jonathan, how might "anchoring" and "leading" be of practical use to create a false memoring within the frame of a magic effect--or do you regard them as mostly useful in developing the story told later outside the frame of the magic effect?
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Everyone remembers that george washington chopped down a cherry tree.
All I ask is that you take responsibility for the memories you implant and the beliefs you foster in others. Anchor. Lead. Anchor.
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