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trey
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Who invented the money printer? Is the principal public domain? The only thing I can find so far is the Mikame Money Printer for sale. And a few demo videos. No history or anything. Any info is welcome! Thanks!

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There are many different types that have been on the market as early as at least the 1950s. I have at least four different types -- but not the Mikame model -- in my collection. To what type/style are you referring?
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I just want to know who owns the idea? Or is it public domain?

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I don't know if anyone owns the idea or not, but here's a description from the turn of the 20th century.


From Hopkins, Albert A. 1901 _Magic: Stage Illusions and Scientific Diversions_, page 381:

"A few years ago a familiar sight on Broadway was the toy vendor who sells the little machine called the "Money Maker," the machine consisting of a pair of rollers in one side of which are inserted plain sheets of paper of the size of a banknote, and as the rollers revolve, a bright new bill rolls out from the opposite side; then another blank sheet is inserted and another bill rolls out, and so on."

An explanation and an illustration of the construction of the workings of the device follow on pages 382-3.

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Thanks for the info. I am gathering that it may fall into "public domain". But I want to be sure before I move ahead. So any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Yes it public domain. I also believe that in may be in one of the old Goldston or Hoffman books. I know it was made long ago in Germany.

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Again, whether or not it is in the public domain may well depend on the type/style of money maker involved. I have no doubt that the one(s) described in the Goldston, Hoffman and Hopkins books are. Likewise the one that uses what looks like a small paint roller in a metal tray -- looks sort of like the old Rolls Razor from the 1950s for those old enough to remember them. However, I'm not so sure regarding the "blotter" style used by Delben or the one imported from Europe that used the very realistic looking metal "printing plates" for $20 bills that caused some serious legal difficulties for several DC area magicians back in the 1980s.

Maybe someone else has more precise information on the latter two styles.
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Good point Dick. I would stay away from the Delben blotter style.

I was thinking more of the double roller method as common domain. I think the Flat model was a Grant idea.

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Yeah I am talking about the double roller style. I did not know about the others. See you learn something everyday!

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Trey, the following publications have a lot of historical data that may be helpful to you:

McDuff, Algonquin [pseudonym] – The Money Maker Machine Manual. Greenville, S.C., Jester’s Press, 1998. 102 pp.

[same "author"] – The Money Maker Machine Manual Supplement. Greenville, S.C., Jester’s Press, 1999. 52 pp.

Good luck with your research!
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In the 1942 movie "A-Haunting We Will Go," Laurel and Hardy are conned into buying a classic money maker. Their costar Dante tells them that he had one as a boy. While that is a scripted line, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the money maker was around long before Dante was born.

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On 2009-02-19 15:19, trey wrote:
I just want to know who owns the idea? Or is it public domain?

Trey


Point of information. You can't copyright or patent an idea. You can only copyright or patent a specific manifestation of an idea. This is spelled out very specifically in US copyright and patent law. Therefore, nobody owns the idea.

However, there are several different kinds of money makers. One of them is specifically owned by Delben. This is the blotter style money maker. The two roller money maker as popularized by Adams is the one in the Hopkins book. It is now in the public domain. There is a European one that uses a single roller and a tray. It may have a valid European patent on it, but it has been around long enough that it may not.

You need to look in old magic catalogs and magic books. You won't find this information on the internet.

You can go to the patent office web site and check the specific money maker you are interested in building. Do a search on Delben, for example, and see if that patent is still valid.

Patents have a much shorter lifespan than copyrights.
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I'm looking for a "magic" money making pad. I've seen this somewhere but not sure where. The preformer brings out a normal looking pad with white sheets of paper inside, he then place a bill template on top of one of the sheets, closes the pad, presses down on the pad and then opens the pad to reveal a bill. Anyone have any knowledge of this trick?

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I believe that's a Tim Star item you're searching for. Looks like a checkbook pad with a "negative" for printing the bills. I have one that's a box, it includes 2 of the clear "negatives" for printing a $20. Very realistic-looking, too.

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There is a similar Himber item that Paul Diamond used to sell.
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On 2011-02-02 10:50, theoriginalman wrote:
I'm looking for a "magic" money making pad. I've seen this somewhere but not sure where. The preformer brings out a normal looking pad with white sheets of paper inside, he then place a bill template on top of one of the sheets, closes the pad, presses down on the pad and then opens the pad to reveal a bill. Anyone have any knowledge of this trick?

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Supreme Magic used to sell a version around 1980 - possibly a Steve Duscheck idea (?); only I remember they marketed a lot of Steve's effects at the same time. I think it was called 'The Gnomes Bank of Switzerland'. The £5 note was in the 'printing template' and difficult to get out. Moroever, the template was made of stiff paper and not very well constructed.

Mark Leveridge also had a version called 'The Bank in your Pocket'. This was brought out in the late 90's but is no longer for sale. This had a plastic credit card style template but the note was contained within the blank cheque book - a much more useable idea as any note can be printed and 'torn out' from the cheque book.
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The double roller, money maker could have started as a "con", like in the Laurel and Hardy movie. As such it probably pre-dates any application as magic or entertainment.

If so, we probably won't find a historical record. A conman wouldn't expose a money making effect. A mark wouldn't publicize a loss.

There could be witnesses, close family and friends the Mark wants to impress the first time he tried the gag.

If the effect is old enough, we might find hints of it in the folk record, as fables and fairy tales. "Rumplestiltskin" comes to mind, spinning flax to gold.
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On 2011-02-03 20:06, joe yang wrote:
"Rumplestiltskin" comes to mind, spinning flax to gold.


And so the first ever magic dealer was born.......turning absolute worthless material into money! Smile
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On 2011-02-03 20:06, joe yang wrote:
"Rumplestiltskin" comes to mind, spinning flax to gold.


And so the first ever magic dealer was born.......turning absolute worthless material into money! Smile


That is very funny!
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In a book of scams I bought years ago it talked about people being scammed by this in the early 20th century I think.
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