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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
Darkstar removed his awesome videos from youtube. It's almost like he's embarrassed by his own image. How can I reconcile that with guy who was here last night telling us about all the ladies he had, and begging us to believe that he had high self-esteem (perhaps the most low self-esteem thing a person can do)? Just for the record, Darkstar, you called Bro Gilbert "socially awkward" but I've seen video of him interacting with ease and charm around many beautiful women and I've seen video of you sitting alone on the floor looking like you were just an extra in a Linkin' Park video circa the late 90s.
But enough of the personal stuff. I'm just upset because I really believed Darkstar. In regards to some of the effects mentioned here: I personally had to come up with more justification for some of the actions in Dunn's Deal, but it's an OOTW style effect that lets you hand the deck to a participant and never touch it again. That alone made it worth it to me to make the presentation more to my liking which I have and have killed with this effect. I haven't used Ripped and Fryed but Patrick Snowden has an awesome handling tip for this on the TA forums that allows the spectator to almost FEEL the restoration happen which I don't think you get in any other card restoration. So if these were the effects that were trotted out as an indication of how bad the set is... I LOVE the fact that this set is getting trashed by a certain percentage of people. It continues a long tradition of Paul Harris' work. We think now that the AOA set was universally praised when it first came out, but it had the same detractors saying the same type of things. And the same thing happened when Paul first came on the scene. The fact of the matter is that Paul Harris creates and promotes a certain TYPE of magic. That magic is not everyone's style. Country music isn't my style, but I don't go to country music forums and tell everyone how bad the music is. But then again, I have a little more going on in my life. Like hot babes and VIP rooms, right darkstar! Yeah! |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I'm curious as to who these high and mighty "mentor'S" of Darkstar are. He kept trying to flaunt it around but so far it's beginning to sound like he takes the videos and books in his collection as physical mentors. I'm sorry, inanimate objects do not equal human to human interaction. A part of me wants him to keep flaunting, it makes for a good laugh all around.
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darkstar757 New user 29 Posts |
Why do you all care so much.
First off. I was just being honest about my life. I was indeed in the VIP lounge or "sky deck" last night with a bunch of women. Is that such a big deal? And I was there in essence because of magic. Something very simple that instead of hating on it, why not be the same? Or at least your version of what you like as the same. Who doesn't like sitting on top of a place eating complimentary chocolate strawberries and goodies with the company of women. It's really sad when people mock something so simple. And second it's sadder when someone really states some constructive criticism about 2 TA effects as examples and "you must suck then" and all these odd judgments pour from nowhere. Alas, I stated what I did with 6 hours of my life in 100 percent honesty and look how some acted. TA isn't worth the money. I went to a club VIP and was in the sky deck with a bunch of women. "Boo you suck...must suck...didn't like TA...drank champagne...lame guy over there" A friend said it best when I pointed to this area yesterday and responded while I was out. "you shouldn't even bother to discuss with them. I think that for some people is difficult to accept they spend $300 in something they thought is going to be superb and ended being a disappointment" I just hope in the future more people step up a little at Café and be honest about product. As I said this place is known as a "hype machine" "full of pricks" and the place "I can't say anything constructive about the X I bought". Wishful thinking perhaps. Good luck with your magic, and our art. Even more good luck on mocking others that disagree with the most always raving reviews at Café. You should be an area super star too! Why not?! Only reason I can see why not is because of the haters...but that goes with the territory. Even amongst what you'd think would be your peers. |
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On 2009-02-28 14:31, darkstar757 wrote: Darkstar, No, it's not a big deal, and nobody cares. That's why I'm making fun of you for mentioning it so much, goofball. I beg you to re-upload your videos to youtube. They are hilarious (especially given the character you're trying to portray here). |
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darkstar757 New user 29 Posts |
What videos man? I honestly have no idea what your talking about. I'm out like disco from this place. It's really tiring all the judgmental BS. *salute* Hope ya'll get over that.
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Jay Buchanan Special user New Jersey 512 Posts |
Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt. ~ Shakespeare
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
OMG, is Darkstar seriously trying to pretend that the videos and his Youtube page never existed? This is too funny. I am definitely getting my money's worth of comedy here since Darkstar came on rambling.
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Engali Elite user 435 Posts |
Joe Roberts,
I don't see how attacking darkstar757 contribiutes to the discussion. It's pretty irrelevant to the subject we're talking about which is the TA set. This is exactly the type of thing I was talking about earlier in this thread: people who post negative reviews about hyped products getting snarky comments made about them in this largely biased forum. It's unfortunate that it proves my point though. Attacking someone's character is a sign of weak evidence and support for an argument in debates--the last straw someone grasps for to even stay in an argument at all before throwing in the towel. /sigh. You disappointed me, as have many of you here. darkstar757, Thanks for some contstructive criticsim on the TA set--although I think how ungingerly you put everything may have stirred up a hornet's nest lol. It's good to know what specifically you didn't like about the TA set. Like I posted earlier, when I found out in: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111 what Trancendental Bar Bet looked like instead of what the blurb said...I was fairly disappointed tbh. It might still be good, but I don't think most any handling would beat what I thought it was going to look like: a spectator places their hand on a card on the table, she/he lifts their hand, the card is gone. That would blow me and I think anybody away. It's not that way, but at least I know what to expect so I don't get disappointed when the effect isn't what I thought it was. It was good to know that Ripped and Fried requires a cover card...that was a bit shocking to find out. Just like with Transcendental Bar Bet, knowing a little bit more about how it appears in effect is really helping me set my expectations. And Dunn Deal requires use of the B***** S****? Is it used a LOT in the effect? I hope not... |
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2239 Posts |
Why are certain individuals on here so hard-pressed to believe that most of us actually like our sets? We aren't giving it thumbs up because we're trying to justify our purchase of $300. We honestly like TA. Why can't that be the truth? It is the truth. I couldn't care less if someone doesn't like TA, it affects me in no way whatsoever.
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I sense where you're coming from Engali, you've clouded your vision way before you even watched TA. You've actually hyped the effects up in your mind prior to viewing so much that basically you went in with a HUGE bias. For example, I did not even know what the Trancendental Bar Bet was, I only read the title of the effect. Now, when a fellow magician demoed it for me (this was way before I bought my TA set), I was very gitty when I saw the change. Then the display of cards all being different, at that point I was pretty surprised and ENTERTAINED. This is coming from a magician, there's no doubt on a lay person, they will be floored. Obviously no amount of reasoning with both yourself (Engali) or Darkstar is going to change your bias and your failure to realize that there's a lot more to magic than just methods. There are many "know it alls" like yourselves that have a very limited understanding of magic in which you find there to be a need to prove your worth. You can find more chaps like yourselves at your local magic clubs. The Café is for kiddies, the more mature magicians actually know better and are on the Genii forum (it's also a lot less active because they don't find a need to waste time, that's what the Café is for, a more casual and often time amateur ridden). Apparently on the Genii forum, those "amateurs" who don't know diddly squat truly love TA and understands it. Guess Darkstar and yourself, Engali, are more educated than the likes of Richard Kaufmann and the folks over at Genii? Ok, I'll go on and listen to the "non-pros" then.
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ricardo carpenter Regular user 107 Posts |
From an external POV, it is not necessary to be so hard with someone who is not happy with TA set: he just express his opinion for a product he BOUGHT.
The ones who have some criticism pov are personnally attacked. If someone feels that the TA set is not satisfying for the price/contents, you don't need to kill him. Well, I made my mind: I will not buy it. Not because I think it's bad, but I really don't like this hype: there is too much gardians of the temple. Not fair. It's not a good reason, yes. But I would have expected more humbles expression, and it makes doubt about the quality of the project. This, for having a view of the mind of a maybe consumer, reading posts to make his opinion. I made it. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
It's fine Ricardo, I really don't think we want too much of the material on TA to become another NFW, so not having folks who are very narrow minded and uncreative thinkers butcher the material on TA is actually a good thing.
Also Ricardo, the reason many of those with criticisms seem like they are being attacked is that folks makes suggestions and tries to explain why they shouldn't judge an effect based just on the method (magic is not just methods, methods are a means to making the magic be what it is for your spectator, it's a tool) they get very defensive and at the end, it usually turns into something that Darkstar has demonstrated so well. Go give his posts a read, they are a treat (a hilarious one). Sadly he made his little video on Youtube private after Joe outed him. Tisk tisk. |
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts |
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On 2009-02-28 14:31, darkstar757 wrote: You mean this life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbNCjDsVs4 Watch the whole clip for the pay off. Doug L.
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ricardo carpenter Regular user 107 Posts |
"We don't want..."
WE? Narrow minded? Me? Not creative, not thinking? What do you know? So stay in the WE if it is just THAT. Why are you angry against me. I hurt you? I hurt WE? I have no problem if WE are happy with TA set. It doesn't makes WE ennemies for me. Peace, man. Don't forget that magic is love. Magic is not power. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
Point is Ricardo, if you're going to make a point about something, don't be afraid of having that point shot down, especially if the point was supposed to be a strong iron clad point because those should not be easy to shoot down. Alas, we have yet found one that wasn't easily shot down, there lies the problem. Not fan boys not hype. It's just the points being bought up on how TA isn't good were just such poor poor poor points in the first place that they amounted to pretty much nothing other than silliness and illogical thinking. When the folks who brought up those points get outed, they get upset. Then there are folks who see these folks getting outed and try to defend folks like Engali or Darkstar but they didn't necessarily read and digest the posts prior and think about it critically. Sad how the majority is being portrayed as a flock of sheep led by "hype" when ironically they are creating their own "hype" and herding their own sheep.
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Jay Buchanan Special user New Jersey 512 Posts |
I have no issues at all with people not liking the set. I wouldn't even dream of trying to convince them otherwise. It's their opinion. But to come off like anyone who doesn't like the set are the "honest" reviewers, vs anyone who loves the set are "hype machines" is absurd at best.
People can only give their own opinions of the effects on these DVD's. Nobody knows if someone else's review is honest or not because that honesty only exists as a direct comparison to the reviewers OWN impressions. You may agree with a reviewer, and therefore the review is honest when compared against your own impressions of the set, but you still don't know if the reviewer was being honest. That's the thing with reviews and opinions, they're like... well... you know the saying. I think "balanced" is the word that most are looking for when they use the word "honest" in these cases, unless they are specifically looking to start trouble of course. Because to call a review honest is to call any opposing review dishonest, and that's just silly. Nobody here can really read minds, the only opinions you can be absolutely certain of are your own. There's stuff on this set which I found "so-so", but I have been out in the trenches working magic as my living for many years and I know for a fact that one mans "so-so" is another mans bread and butter. For me to think that my opinion holds any weight against anyone else's in this field would be highly egotistical and immature, and worse... it would hurt nobody but myself in the long run. Anybody who has been around the block in magic long enough knows full well that you can make a living with a TT if you wanted to. Just because some do or don't want to, don't make them right or wrong, just different opinions is all. Personally, I love both sides of the fence with these reviews, it should be promoting conversation that betters us all. But with the amount of individual opinions out there (especially in the field of magic), I am surprised that anyone is comfortable basing whether or not they would buy something off of someone else's opinion of it.
Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt. ~ Shakespeare
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts |
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On 2009-02-28 15:37, ricardo carpenter wrote: Whenever I see two guys argue on here...I watch this video for laughs. Ready, Set, Forum Battle!! http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1011939/ar......coleman/ Best, Doug L. *1001-Inner Circle*
Douglas Lippert
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darkstar757 New user 29 Posts |
Oh yeah...sure...am I suppose to be embarrassed about that or something? I'm not of course they are just private, thus the names of the videos. They were never meant to be public (thus the garbled names), I do indeed enjoy goofing around with ideas on youtube. Why is that so funny?
You people are low as low can be. As if you can judge me chilling out sharing things with people that live afar. Poor souls. Your more memorized by who I am than talking about why TA was a disappointment *el loco* |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
AMEN Jay, AMEN. Absolutely agree with you there, I've been hoping for more intelligence from the "I don't like TA" camp. So far it's been mostly "This is stupid, not my style thus this won't work... for anybody. Waste of money." Things like that are far from being intelligent views.
Keep digging there Darkstar, I truly do appreciate the comedic effort. I'm still waiting for you to name drop because you seemed so antsy to in your other posts. Oh so curious as to whom these "mentors" are. |
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts |
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On 2009-02-28 15:44, kissdadookie wrote: He seems to be making stuff up but I find him amusing. Let's not give him the bum rush. Maybe I can score some Korn tickets off him. "All day I dream about..." A.D.I.D.A.S. Rollin' VIP, Doug L.
Douglas Lippert
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