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Craig Krisulevicz
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Is this video worth it? It's only 27 bucks, but I've heard a lot of good and bad reviews. I was told just today not too expect too much from it. Any help would be great.
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You can expect to see one of the 'stiffest' performances ever recorded (but some might say that this is his "style", although I cannot see how).

You can also expect to get fried by his technical skill with cards (especially his work on the Ambitious Riser move).

It is possible (despite the title) to acquire some useful knowledge by studying this material, and even to acquire an effect (or two . . . maybe) that you'll perform in the 'real world' - perhaps the clever presentation of Vernon's "Picking Off The Pip" called "Smudge", which is the easiest effect on the video, or "Out of Space", which Kosby's handling of "The Collectors".

Despite the impressive nature of the card magic on this video, I would caution would-be seekers of this video who are not already proficient with a pack of cards to at least an intermediate degree. In my opinion, beginners could better spend their money elsewhere.

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Hey,
I think Matt Puglisi gave the video a fair review. I love this video. It is one of my favorites, I love all the routines on it.

Rays applications of the Fred Robinson ambitous riser move are simply BRILLIANT!
If you are dedicated to card magic and willing to practice, I say go ahead and get the video.

The routines on it WILL fool you BADLY! You will think lots of it uses trick photography cause the stuff is so good, however, in order for you to make the effects look like trick photography you are going to have to practice a LOT.

I spent months working on raise rise, but let me tell you, it really has payed off well. I learned it 2 years ago, and it remains one of my favorite effects in card magic. It is GREAT!

You will like the video for sure, however, you are going to have to practice hard to do the routines, but it is really worth it, the routines are quick, and extremely visual.

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watching Ray's video influenced me quite a bit. Not so much from learning and adapting his pet routines, but from studying what was so strong about his style of magic. Ray takes a card plot that most magicians would spend 5 minutes on, and he's done in 30 seconds, AND it looks like real magic.
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WELL SAID! Geoff, you are 100% correct.
Thanks for that post,

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I think it's a great video! just get ready for some real work out with your fingers on raise rise... it's still killing me...
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I bought the video a while back, watched it once and then placed it on the shelf never to be viewed again. For the amount of work that you have to put in to performing the effects it is simply not worth it - you can get the same reactions from an Invisible Deck with more time to focus on presentation rather than the technique.

Don't get me wrong...the time that Ray put in is mind-boggling but I can guarantee that only magicians will appreciate the hard work.

I would recommend most any other video.

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Donovan,
You can get a great reaction from the Invisible Deck. But it doesn't hurt anyone to spend a lot of time practicing what they love. Do you love magic as much as those willing to put the time practicing into it?
Don't do an effect because its easy or hard, do it because you like it.

Did any of those routines fool you badly? Before you learned the method did you want to do any of them? They are strong routines, they are guaranteed to fool just about anyone. It is GREAT card magic. Just because it is hard doesn't make the effects bad or a bad video for those willing to practice.

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On 2003-05-12 09:27, Geoff Weber wrote:
....Ray takes a card plot that most magicians would spend 5 minutes on, and he's done in 30 seconds, AND it looks like real magic.


I really don't think he means to make it 30 seconds, he just does. From what I am told he is really shy and a bad preformer.... It kind of makes me wonder why, people like him get so good but never do anything.


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Ray Kosby's technique with cards is unquestionable. If you buy the tape, you have to prepare for some stiff stuffs which you may not be able to do without lots of practice. I like the tape, not for learning purpose, but entertainment (like watching a movie, maybe). But it is a kind of inspiring source for me as well.

Ask about whether to buy it? For 27 bucks, I think you may buy it for watching some different kinds of performances.

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Believe me, it is no accident that his routines are short. He designs them to be visual and direct. There is a lot to be said for his approach. It gets to the point and trims a lot of the fat that bogs down most routines.

Ray Kosby, like Guy Hollingworth is primarily a hobbiest, which means that he can focus on what interests him, rather than what is most practical for a full time entertainer.

If he comes across as a little camera shy, it's no big deal, he's probably just not used to it. The way I see it, you can learn a lot from studying his approach to magic design, and as for presentation, you're supposed to make up your own anyway.
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I have the video and most of the material is above my head. 'Smudge' is workable but I'm left handed so I can't do this trick.
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I really like how he uses the Raise Rise move for the Venus Fly Trap Sandwich routine. I think it is the most visual sandwich trick I have ever seen.
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I might be mistaken, and please correct me If I'm wrong, but I think Mr. Kosby is very, very shy, so much so , that he is unable to perform for people in public very often. He spends many hours alone practicing technique in his room, unable to share his magic easily with the world.

The thought of one of the world's greatest card handlers staying locked in his room and working alone for year after year to develop a sleight is very intriguing
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I don't know about Kosby himself, but I believe I can asses the impact of a routine.

Sure there is a lot of work to put in it and
I have other things on my priority list than raise rise, but one has to admit that Kosby's routine are all very, very direct and very, very strong. The routine where the spectator picks the 4 aces out of a spread is just stunning, and if you can pull it off, practical in real conditions.

To sum up, the performance is interesting as a demonstration of great skill and great routining, but there is a lot of work and you might find effect that play the same with an audience without it (like raise raise can be replaced by various 2 hands move just as stunning to laymen). Good video!
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MagicSponge,

I was FLOORED by some of the routines - that's why I bought the video, he fooled me badly. Me, the magician, was fooled. The laymen will also be fooled, but the laymen does not know what fools a magician.

Yes, Ray's magic is quick, visual, awe-inspiring, but it does not work in the "Real World" - there are angles, numerous complicated sleights, and all the routine are so fast that the audience is floored, while not given the chance to really become a part of the magic. I LOVE PERFORMING MAGIC. I LOVE COMING UP WITH NEW PRESENTATIONS. I LOVE INTERACTING WITH A CROWD, much more than sitting in front of a mirror. Yes I practice, very hard, but I am in the business of entertainment - not card handling. Ray does have some good concepts - that is the topic for another board.

EsKlibur just said that "the performance is interesting as a demonstration of great skill and great routining". Laymen do not know about great skill, or great routining. Dai Vernon believed that the skill of a magician should be well hidden and used to an end. Not flaunted in front of an audience.

My reference to an Invisible Deck is simply this: I have a friend that has spent hours routining his Invisible Deck into a whole 8-minute mini-show. It is impressive. It is entertaining. It took hours and hours of thought to perfect. The audience is taken on a journey into a different world, not simply shown a card trick - magic is (or at least should be) more than that.

When I perform I want my personality, not my card moves, to show through. If that means using only stock items with little practice required, bring it on.

I guess that the difference is this: some wish to entertain laymen, some try to fool magicians. One gets you the big bucks at that Oil Convention, the other does not. You be the judge.

-Donovan Deschner
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Wow Donovan I'm impressed. That was a well thought out essay lol I mean reponse...
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To my view this is a great tape for cardman like me. Basically, I got the tape and the effects is great. But the technique is quite difficult for some moves. And here is some of my personal opinion, some of the moves is not taught clearly. Especially the Raise Rise, the move of doing the push using pinky is not explained in detail but it just shows you the handling. The technique somehow requires you to find the right stuff for yourself.

But overall I love this tape, it's mostly pure sleight and the effect is great.

I love it and I higly recommended it to have this wonderful tape 'Impossible Card Magic'

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On 2003-05-13 17:15, LeConte wrote:
I might be mistaken, and please correct me If I'm wrong, but I think Mr. Kosby is very, very shy, so much so , that he is unable to perform for people in public very often. He spends many hours alone practicing technique in his room, unable to share his magic easily with the world.

The thought of one of the world's greatest card handlers staying locked in his room and working alone for year after year to develop a sleight is very intriguing


I wouldn't go THAT far!

Yes, he seems a little timid on the video, but somehow he was social enough to become friends with Richard Kaufman and other great magicians, and he DID make a video, so lets not call him a hermit just yet...
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I actually found his performance style quite nice-fast but casual and no patronising patter.

One thing we should clear up: Raise Rise is a phase of the ambitious card. 'Raise rise' itself is not the move-that's Fred Robinson's ambitious riser. Raise Rise is the entire phase including getting the in-jogs etc/...
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