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Hi!
I am a newbie, and I would like to ask some questions. (and maybe more questions after these were answered)
Sorry if these questions were already answered.

What should I feel, or what do I experience if I were in hypnosis :
Could I think normally?
If someone had said to me in this altered state:
When I count to three, you'll wake up and forget your last name. What would be my reaction? Would I forget my last name?
Could I remember, when I "woke up", that this command was ordered (forgetting name)?

Shock - inductions.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I think it goes this : Hypnotist ask the subject to concentrate, eg. push arm, watch fingers, etc. Is this true?
Then like a sudden shock, the hypnotist frightens the subject, and says : "sleep".
My question : If somebody frightens me (e.g. on the street, or at work), and says (or yell) "sleep", will I go into hypnosis or altered state? Could I go out from hypnosis only by myself?
Does it matter if I trust in the hypnotist or not?
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On 2009-03-05 05:39, p_n_g wrote:
Hi!
I am a newbie, and I would like to ask some questions. (and maybe more questions after these were answered)
Sorry if these questions were already answered.

What should I feel, or what do I experience if I were in hypnosis :
Could I think normally?
If someone had said to me in this altered state:
When I count to three, you'll wake up and forget your last name. What would be my reaction? Would I forget my last name?
Could I remember, when I "woke up", that this command was ordered (forgetting name)?

Shock - inductions.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I think it goes this : Hypnotist ask the subject to concentrate, eg. push arm, watch fingers, etc. Is this true?
Then like a sudden shock, the hypnotist frightens the subject, and says : "sleep".
My question : If somebody frightens me (e.g. on the street, or at work), and says (or yell) "sleep", will I go into hypnosis or altered state? Could I go out from hypnosis only by myself?
Does it matter if I trust in the hypnotist or not?


Hi PNG,

welcome. You have asked some good questions.

The first one regarding what you should experience cannot be answered clearly as peoples internal experience when hypnotized varies. Most describe feeling relaxed. It is my opinion that the biggest reason they feel like that is because it is suggested by the hypnotist. Yes certainly you can 'think' normally. However personally it matters not what you think, because I am aiming my suggestions at the element of your mind that 'does' rather than the bit that 'thinks'.

Regarding suggestions for amnesia, many people report that while the suggestion is being given they are thinking 'Of course I know my name' - that is the bit of their mind that thinks again, believing it is the boss, believing it is in control. However when asked their name they cannot recall it. Even then they are normally convinced they still know it, which of course they do, hence they struggle to remember - in vain. It is much like you know the names of the three people that preceded yours in the register at primary school but may not be able to recall them unless prompted. When properly 'woken' if the hypnotist has not undone their suggestion there is still a reasonable chance you will not be able to remember. I have forgotten to undo a suggestion for name amnesia where I changed someones name and though it was really Dan they continued to believe it was Jenny. Of course I ironed out this little crease in their reality soon after.

Regarding shock inductions you can see the theory laid out pretty clearly by Cal Banyan on a video of his on youtube. Rather than frighten, the idea is that your brain when shocked is simply trying to figure out its next move and during that period of time is wide open to suggestion. A parallel might be someone is hysterical and ranting and gets a slap around the face and is told to calm down. The slap breaks their state and the command sinks in. Do not try that at home.

Trust is important. They can be skeptical, they can be afraid but at a minimum should know they are in safe hands and you will not take advantage of them. Of course once they are hypnotized it is close to irrelevant.

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Thanks for you fast answer. Could you please post a link to that explanation video by Cal Banyan? Bcause there are too many and I can't find it.

Is there a word instead of sleep that works, to go into hypnosis (e.g. "listen carefully")?

Also, is it necessary to the subject to close his eyes under hypnosis?

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Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nX3HkZYV......nel_page

You do not have to use the word sleep. However in the english speaking world 'sleep' is so heavily associated with going into hypnosis that it is a useful one to use.

No it is not necessary to have them close their eyes although it does help to narrow their focus of attention. Just give suggestions eyes open or eyes closed. As Erickson said 'Hypnosis is not a state of eyelids'.

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What happens when the hypnotist asks me to do something, I normally shouldn't do.
For example : "on the count to three you will, quack like a duck" ?
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You quack of course.

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Regarding suggestions for amnesia, many people report that while the suggestion is being given they are thinking 'Of course I know my name' - that is the bit of their mind that thinks again, believing it is the boss, believing it is in control. However when asked their name they cannot recall it. Even then they are normally convinced they still know it, which of course they do, hence they struggle to remember - in vain. It is much like you know the names of the three people that preceded yours in the register at primary school but may not be able to recall them unless prompted.


These comments reminded me that at some point in history, an amnesia suggestion has been world-wide spread... Indeed, most of us can't ever remember the name of the last dwarf in the fairy tail "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" when naming them. Try at home without cheating...Count on your fingers as you name them out loud. I am sure you will not be able to remember the last one, struggling already to find the name of the sixth one: it will completely slip your mind like when you have a word on the tip of your tongue but you just can't remember...So? Smile


M.

PS: please do not post the names on the thread. Be fair play Smile
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If I "quacked", and "woke up". What would I answer if I was asked why did I quack?
1 : Because I wanted to quack
2 : Because someone said to me : quack like a duck
(if this is true then why did you do it?)
or something else
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Like the kind of feelings and sensations experienced when hypnotized, the reasons you quacked like a duck can vary: my only reference on the subject is the 'Tricks of the Mind' book, where Derren Brown spend some time on discussing the experience people have when hypnotized. The example of the invisibility suggestion is quite interesting: once fully awake, some people told they could clearly see him, some were aware that he was here but more or less volontarly blanked him (with their imagination?). Some could swear they could not see him at all.

Have you some opportunities to get hypnotized p_n_g? I guess you would get answers to many of your questions.

Cheers,

M.
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I think some of the points made here have been a bit simplified.

If, while you were hypnotized, the hypnotists said, "When I count to three, you'll wake up and forget your last name" it's most likely that, when brought out of hypnosis and asked your last name, you'd easily say it. There's more to hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestions than simply saying things once. Success at doing this depends upon the mindset of the person being hypnotized and the skills of the hypnotist. Some people would add that it would depend upon the depth of the trance.

The thing is, hypnosis is an intensely personal and subjective experience. As Anthony pointed out, different people experience hypnosis in different ways...or at least they'll describe it differently. That's why many hypnotists have different definitions for what hypnosis actually is.

So if a negative hallucination, such as forgetting your name, is induced, a person asked about it may have different ways of describing the amnesia: I just can't think of it, I know it but I can't say it, etc. The same is true with following an instruction such as quacking like a duck. Some people will say they wanted to quack, some will say because they were told to, others will say because they saw no reason not to. Everyone is an individual. When I give workshops on hypnosis, I can ask a group for people to get up on their chairs and bark like a dog, and the larger the group, the more people will do it even though they're not hypnotized. Why? It's fun. Why not? To be silly. etc.

Swiss_magician makes a very good point. If you find a trained and experienced hypnotist and get hypnotized, you'll get all of your questions answered. To that I would just add the following:

Just about anyone can learn how to hypnotize something else in under an hour. Learning what to do AFTER a person is hypnotized can take months or years of study and practice, and the learning of this by professional hypnotists can continue for a lifetime.
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I think you should question the validity of your subjects subjective report about their experience of hypnosis after the event. Their conscious rationalization can be very convincing but it not necessarily accurate.

In short they have to try and make sense of why they could not remember their name, or see you or handed over their property. They are capable of drumming up both reasonable and completely wacky reasons to explain their actions.

Also I think there is likely to be a qualitative difference in the 'barking' of someone who wants to have fun and be silly and someone who believes they are a dog because of hypnosis. Just because people will do silly things does not tell me that much about a genuine hypnotic response.

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Its interesting. Unfortunately I don't know any hypnotist, so I can't experience this at the moment.
Last night a strange thing happened to me :
I was half asleep, half awake, and I started dream about a snake in our house (of course there are no snakes here).
I suddenly woke up, and told my girlfriend, there was a snake over there. My girlfriend thought that I was stupid, but I tried to convince him, that there had been a snake.
Is the after-hypnosis feeling could be similar? Cause, I made some explanations to my girlfriend how can a snake be there.

Other question is, that if I am - for example - reading a book, or travelling on bus, and somebody - a stranger - freightens me and says "sleep", what will happen?
I fell into a light trance, or I remain conscious?

Anyway, thanks for all of the above answers
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Yeah, that's an interesting question that I've always wanted to ask...

Can a hypnotist literally put you into a trance by ambush, so to speak...

?????
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I've enjoyed reading this thread. I am greatly interested in what hypnotees say after a hypnotic episode. For what it's worth, in my experience many hypnotists I've spoken to don't seem to have any interest in this period, which I find strange.
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On 2009-03-05 07:00, p_n_g wrote:
What happens when the hypnotist asks me to do something, I normally shouldn't do.
For example : "on the count to three you will, quack like a duck" ?


It depends. If its something you don't really want to do you'll snap out of trance most likely.

Also being so directive is boring . The best 'work' is when you use hypnosis to kick of certain thought processes. And you allow the hypnotised person to express an amplified part of his personality. This takes quite a long time to learn how to get the best out of your subjects. And if stage hypnosis could ever be called an art this is where it would be. I don't think you could learn this on any course or dvd.

Also amnesia is also much more interesting when it occurs after trance with no recollection of the show or 'session'. When you explain to them what happened or show them a video.

Most people who are hypnotised to a good depth will have some if not complete amnesia after. And much of it will return after a few days.
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On 2009-03-07 17:00, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Yeah, that's an interesting question that I've always wanted to ask...

Can a hypnotist literally put you into a trance by ambush, so to speak...

?????


Search for a guy called Win E and see what he gets up to... that should answer your question. He's nuts!!
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Here is the man himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tj7tOhW5Jk

Love it.

Anthony
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On 2009-03-14 10:15, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
Here is the man himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tj7tOhW5Jk

Love it.

Anthony


Impressive stuff. There is a funny video in there where the spectator refuses. Sort of a WWF wrestling breakaway. Smile

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You can deliver the same suggestion to a thousand people and get a thousand reactions each of them different.
the best possible thing you can do is try it out yourself,
I know there is no hypnotists your way but surely you can travel.
if you are learning how to do shows ect I would recomend being hypnotized
first and get the full grasp of it so you know what your subjects are experiencing
great thread,
ta
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