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SullyMagic
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I just asked for feedback lol... Yeah?

So if I disagree with the opinions given I'm not allowed to give my own?

I haven't been rude or ignorant or dogmatic. Just giving my opinion back, I see it as a discussion.
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"I'm fully conscious of the lay down flaw"

"Not sure I agree with that lol."

Those were the two responses you gave to the feedback that had been offered. No thank yous, no "I appreciate the help", etc. You talked about your experience, told people you already knew what they had pointed out, and lectured people on why you disagreed.

Are you free to disagree? Of course. Are you free to discuss it? Of course.

But if you do it with tact you'll find people are much more willing to help. As someone once told me- you need to learn to use a knife and fork first.

That's all I'm saying bro.

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Ok, well I don't mean it to come across in that manner.

If I were talking about it in person with somebody it wouldn't come across that way, it's just Online I type fast.

I think I might have Adult ADHD actually, going to clinic to find out soon. So that's why I sometimes type ridiculously long posts and can't help but debate lol, it's the nature of ADHD.

But I'll try to be more... I don't know, less... Stern from now on lol.

Cheers.
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My bad too. I'm in a terrible mood because school is piling on work. I had a ten page paper due today, another due tomorow, and a 15er due on Friday. Suffice to say I'm stressed to the max.

Forgive me as well.
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Ben,

If memory serves me well (and it usually does), you ripped me up one side and down the other several months ago (over something that I don't even remember the subject) and then you sent me a PM explaining that school was piling on lots of work, you were stressed out, exams or whatever.

I'm just going to throw this out there...but I'm thinking when school is ruling your life, you may want to stay off the Café'...or at least don't post anything until your have returned to your normal DEFCON levels.

Just an observation!
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Hey Chris,

It's a fair one. But, in equal fairness... I meant every word I said. I just tend to be more post happy when I'm stressed with school work. What I'm apologizing for, I guess, isn't what I said (which I believe) but the fact that I said it.

If that makes any sense at all.
Ben
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It was about the coin routine you were offering for sale.
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I graduate in April (I hope!) but then I have another 2 years in another post-graduate program, then my MBA... so... duck and cover, as it's about another 5 years left of schooling.
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On 2009-03-16 07:08, SullyMagic wrote: I'm not a beginner lol, I've been doing card magic for about 6 years.


I am not giving feedback on your technique or presentation skills here. Regarding the quote above though:

The term "beginner" is relative to who you're comparing yourself to or having a discussion with-- I've been doing Card Magic for about 36 years. To me and others on the Café-- you've just started.

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Ben,
You have nothing to apologize for in this thread!

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Ben,

You have nothing to apologize for...I wasn't seeking an apology...just thought I would point out a pattern. Not trying to start a fight...just stating my observation. Nothing more...nothing less.
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I'm not sure if I should start a new post or put this here. Maybe I'll do both.

I am doing Wayne Houchin's version of Invisible Palm Aces. I get a great reaction from the last 2 cards appearing but get no reaction at all with the first card.
I have even gone as far as showing I now have on;y 2 cards in my left hand right next to the cards on the table but still get a blank stare.

If they caught on to the method they would either say something and/or not be blown away by the next two. It seems it just doesn't register that anything has actually happened the first time.

Any suggestions?
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.

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Slyhand:
Better patter visualization that the card is suppose to be "invisibly" palmed, rather than the hand is just empty? Mime that you have a card to the point of re-positioning it in the palm or "dropping" it and re-placing it into palm.

My only guess is that you just flash your hand empty, so they don't think of the card as being "invisible" as much as just vanishing, so rather than "palming" the aces across the first appearance is a complete surprise(and maybe they just think there were 2 on the table and you just spread them), and they aren't sure what is the effect until the next two.



Without seeing you do it, it is going to be practically impossible to say what could be causing that...

Can you make a video and start a new thread for discussing it slyhand?
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I know it's next to impossible to say without seeing what I am doing.
I use the line that Wayne does saying some people accuse me of having a device which pulls a card up my left sleeve, across my chest and into the right hand. I then show the right hand empty then do the reveal.

I will try to get vid together.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.

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I liked it ... thx for sharing with us! Keep up the good work ... you are on your way to being a real Cardini.

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Pretty nice version, thanks for sharing Smile
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Slyhand sounds good, not unlike the one Carney uses for Cards Across.
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Let me add one detail to this. When you do the tent vanish you move the thumb of the hand that has the card. This destroys the illusion of the card being taken, the thumb should be absolutely still.

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Many situations the tent vanish isn't angle proof and should be discarded under many circumstances.
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On 2009-03-18 11:46, slyhand wrote:
I know it's next to impossible to say without seeing what I am doing.
I use the line that Wayne does saying some people accuse me of having a device which pulls a card up my left sleeve, across my chest and into the right hand. I then show the right hand empty then do the reveal.
...


Use that as a patter: do first the invisible palm and then claim that you soled the problem in having a device which pulls a card up my left sleeve, across your chest and into your right hand, but that the beauty is that it's invisible as well.

Or you could start with the patter on this device and then, for the ensuing card claim that now you've found a better solution by invisibly palming the card. Thus you supply two interesting stories for the audience attention to get hooked by. In this case naturally you make sure to DEMONSTRATE that the card doesn't go up your sleeve... Now that's magic!
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By the way, Bernard Bilis' version is now in DVD both in French and in English (language selected in the DVD) under the title 100% Bilis vol 2.

There are some very interesting tips by Bernard who has more than 40 years of experience with this effect. (I remember that he nailed me the first time with Lary Jennings version when I was 18 or 19 and I'll turn 60 around the end of the year). He added a gaff that is included in the DVD but which is not necessary to benefit from the tips on the double card handling that Bernard was amongst the first to brush up in this effect.

As already underlined, Rafael Beantar's tips on handling doubles (in his excellent DVDs Elegant Card Magic) are not out of place in this effect
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On 2009-03-18 01:54, Steven Youell wrote:
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On 2009-03-16 07:08, SullyMagic wrote: I'm not a beginner lol, I've been doing card magic for about 6 years.


I am not giving feedback on your technique or presentation skills here. Regarding the quote above though:

The term "beginner" is relative to who you're comparing yourself to or having a discussion with-- I've been doing Card Magic for about 36 years. To me and others on the Caf�-- you've just started.

SEY


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Give the guy a break, you and I know that some of us progress faster than others. Even if 6 years is not much, remember what David Williamson did after six years... Even if Nick Sullivan is not David Williamson, he has gone quite a way. Yes he still hasn't lost the mental arrogance of the gifted ones but he is gifted nevertheless and what he does is interesting and there si some thinking in it. Give him the time to get from egotistic visual skill demonstration to real magic. It should take less than six additional years.

The old dog.
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