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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2393 Posts 
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My son, who just turned 16 a couple of weeks ago, started his first job at Arby’s last night. Understandably, he made a mistake on the register within the first hour and cost Arby’s $8. The manager promptly told him it would be taken out of his pay, which is only $7.15 per hour! Is this right or wrong? Heck, is this even legal?
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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Actually, I think it's the best way to learn.
When I was his age, I was putting in thirty hours a week on two different jobs while going to school--fifty plus hours during the summer break, and I learned responsibility with money very quickly. I wasn't coddled, but I didn't need to be. Now, breaking glasses or setting the place on fire...those things might be overlooked. But at the end of the day, if the register doesn't balance out, it comes out of your pocket. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts
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Not something I would do as a manager, but its pretty common.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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On 2009-03-17 12:14, Ken Northridge wrote: I think, that is illegal to do. Write your AG in your state and ask.
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts
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I wonder if you make the mistake the other way around, if they put the extra money in your pay...
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts
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Happened to me working at Day's Inn Gift Shop in Florida,... and it wasn't even my drawer, I was just helping out with the rush!!! It was $200 short...I got pizzed and quit. Not much later they caught the girl who's drawer it was, stealing again.
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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Typically, in most states, they can't do it. Who knows what he signed as far as an employment agreement?
They can fire you for it though.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2393 Posts
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On 2009-03-17 15:38, Tony Iacoviello wrote: Good point! I'm betting not! Quote:
On 2009-03-17 15:43, Vandy Grift wrote: Ha, no agreement whatsoever. I sense he may have run into a bad situation and has one those bosses that caused me to ultimately want to do magic shows for a living. And I, in no way, attribute to the fact that his boss looks like he has very few teeth and has eaten a few too many roast beef sandwiches. 
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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Lol! I'd check into it. But I'd wait for the paycheck to come and see if it was actually deducted before I made a big deal about it.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts
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How many times do these places screw up orders and have to make another sandwich? $8 is way too little for a manager to go crazy over if you ask me.
I went to an Arby's (which is now closed up) and was the only one there (prime dinner time too, 6:30). The person did not make a wrong substitution in the sandwich, but made a completely different one and had to do it all over again. The error probably only cost them $2, the sandwich was $6.
-Matt
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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That's a little different. I doubt anyone would think that the employee took the wrong sandwich and put it in thier pocket. Which is always a concern when a register comes up short. When the till is short you can't be sure if the person just made a mistake, or is ripping you off. That's why it's more worrisome than screwing up a food order or breaking something.
Not to mention that the cost of a sandwich (to the customer) isn't the same as the price of the sandwich (for the business). So you can't really go by the menu price of a sandwich when comparing the two situations..
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts
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On 2009-03-17 12:14, Ken Northridge wrote: If his actions cost the company $8, even inadvertently, then what's wrong with him paying back the company for the error he made? Not only is it responsible, but the repayment will help prevent the same error from occurring again in the future, especially as he'll have to work more than an hour to compensate the company. You think $8 being taken out of your paycheck is bad? Wait until he sees what other punitive amounts of money are taken out. You say he's making $7.15/hour? Assuming he's single, working in New Jersey for 40 hours a week, and has no deductions taken out, he's really only seeing about $5.95/hour on his paycheck. In any given 8-hour day, he'll see almost $10 taken out of his paycheck every time. Personally, I think $8 taken out one time is much less to worry about than $48 that's being taken out every week. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts
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On 2009-03-17 18:07, Scott Cram wrote: A company can't be allowed to break the law as that it opens up other abuses to take place. Like...working over time without being paid, etc. They can teach a lesson by cutting the schedule if they want. You work 20 hrs. next week you work 10. That they can do. I'm not against the lesson, I'm against a giant food chain breaking the law.
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2393 Posts
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On 2009-03-17 18:07, Scott Cram wrote: Later down the road, he may prove to be an excellent employee, giving good customer service, helping his company to make millions. Do you think his company will let him share in those millions? The lowly employee does not deserve the millions because he is not taking the risk, nor does he deserve to share in its lose either. He deserves the lowly wage he is promised. If it were a habitual occurrence, I can see the company taking some kind of action. But again, we are talking about the first hour of his employment--a training session you could say. Your point about taxes is well taken, but that's another story.
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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Did he give change back wrong or something? Unless it was intentional then no I don't think he should because that is part of business.
When I played cashier at Home Depot I was off by $20 once, only time I was ever off. I told 'em that the drawer was broken and when I opened it that $20 flipped back into the cabnet and I told them it was there. They looked at the video, saw I didn't do anything wrong, and that was that. Later I took apart the cabnet and found the $20 and gave it back to accounting which caused more problems than when I lost it. But they never expected me to 'pay it back'.. Hey, ask that kid what they make the 'roast beef' out of, it sure isn't cattle. |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts
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I'd walk.
I work so that they will pay me, if they want anything back they better have a court order. This stuff only works because too many people will just accept it.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts
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Not without his consent. It may just be a scare tactic to encourage him to be more careful. But if they do deduct the money ... you can call your State's Department of Labor and file a complaint there.
-JoeJoe
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7565 Posts
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I was once offered a job at a kiosk. One of the conditions on the employment agreement was that if product got stolen while I was working, it would come out of my pay. Keeping an eye on the product and protecting it is challenging enough, but it's impossible to be invincible. And that is not even a problem with giving the wrong change, etc. That also was to come out of my pay.
Naturally, I turned down the job. Read things before signing them. - Donald P.S. If he was brand new, and has never been trained properly with handling money & the cash register, he should have been supervised very closely. In my opinion, the responsibility should be more on the supervisor to start with.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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TomKMagic Special user I tripped over 620 Posts
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If it were a habitual occurrence, I can see the company taking some kind of action. But again, we are talking about the first hour of his employment--a training session you could say. Definitely gotta blame the trainer with this one. Basically, the trainer should be the one handling all of the transactions for the first hour or two, and the new employee just watches. Then allow the new employee to handle the transactions, and have the trainer watch every move. But it's always easier to blame the new guy!! |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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I'd file a multi million dollar law suit against 'em. LOBO!
Really, I can't imagine other than if he intentially gave away eight bucks how they can do this. I worked with a lovely woman who left over $100k worth of parts on a trash pail and the janitor tossed them out. She didn't even get a warning though they wanted to fire the innocent janitor. I think it is an idle threat. |
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