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Regan
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Well, looks like the wireless systems are going to see drastic changes. I got some info in a music magazine, and while I have not had time to really read and study it thoroughly, but I don't like what they are saying. Sounds as if we are going to have to upgrade.....the question is....When? The good news is that some of the major manufacturers of wireless systems are offering financial help for an upgrade. For example, I own a Shure PGX sustem so Shure's offer got my attention. They are going to offer a $1,000 rebate if you trade in an old system for a new one. The old one had to be bought after a certain time.....I think 2007 was the year listed. I'm not sure when Shure will have their new systems going. I'm not sure if Shure is sure! Smile

Ther thing that really bothers me is the talk about registering events. From what I understand, and remember....I have not studied this....but it seems to me as though we will have to go online and register when and where we are going to be using our wireless systems. We will be assigned frequencies that supoposedly only we can use.....I think.

Can you imagine the database for a system like this? Can you imagine all the problems that might/will occur?

If anyone can shed some light on this I would be most grateful. I am wondering how long the old systems will work, and when we will be facing problems. Do we need to register now? Or is that only for the new wireless systems? So many questions........................

Regan
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Wow !. I never heard of this. What a pain this might turn out to be.
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You said it Bob. I don't know what to think, but I am worried.
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Regan,
Respectfully, most of the info you've provided is incorrect, incomplete, or misinterpreted.

To get a better handle on this, please check these links:
http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/PressRoom/......ndex.htm
http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/wirel......crophon/
http://www.lectrosonics.com/PressRelease......pace.htm
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Dan, like I said, I had not read this very carefully, and I know I do not have an understanding about this as well as you do. When I glanced over it, I was disturbed. I hope you can help me and others get a grasp on what is happening (or about to happen) and what steps we need to take in order to make a smooth transition. I have not had time to thoroughly read the links you provided either. In fact, I just briefly looked at the first one that came up and it was dated several months back, so I did not go any further.

However, I did go back and re-read the article where I got the information I provided. It is called, "Navigating The White Spaces", and it was written by Mitch Gallagher. Mr Gallagher is currently the Editorial Director at Sweetwater Music. After a closer read, I still get the same understanding. So, according to the article I read, I am standing by what I said. Well, I did misqoute one thing: I had stated above that Shure is offering a rebate for systems bought after 2007, when actually Shure is offering rebates on all qualifying systems bought prior to 2007 (before February 1, 2007 to be exact).

I really hope I am wrong, or misunderstanding this, and if so, please help me out. I plan on checking into this furtherwhen I get more free time, but I am so swamped right now I can't get too involved.



OK, I still have a thousand questions about this: When exactly will I have to begin registering the use of, or stop using my wireless system?

The article states that, "..it is still legal tfor wireless channels to use VHF channels 1-13 and UHF channels 14-51". I do not even know what channels mine uses. I guess I had better find the owner's manual!

Is this only for the USA?

The article mentions that if white spaces devices are being used within 1 kilometer of a wireless system known to be in use that it must switch to another channel or cease transmitting. How are they going to police this?

When they speak of white space devices, that includes wireless systems, right?

Gosh, there is just so much to think about here. Government is messing things up again! I am going to post part of the article below. I hope you all can get something out of it, and hopefully we can figure this out.

Below is the part of the article, and I will post a link if you should want to read the atricle in it's entirity.

Regan




The Situation

The good news is that your wireless microphones aren't going to just stop working on February 18th. There are also guidelines that the new white spaces devices must adhere to:

White spaces devices can potentially be put on sale by manufacturers on February 18, 2009. The reality is, though, that it will take some time before any appreciable quantity will be used by the public. Before any new white spaces items can be released, they must pass FCC certification and public review and commentary. Shure, for example, does not expect the first of these white spaces devices to hit the streets until the end of 2009.

White spaces devices cannot transmit on channels being used by TV stations, wireless microphones, and other devices. Before transmitting, a white spaces device must find its precise location and find a "safe" channel to use from a proposed database.

If a white spaces device is within one kilometer of a wireless system that is known to be in use, it must find a different channel or cease transmitting.

White spaces devices must consult the channel database whenever they are turned on, their location changes, or at least once per day.

If you're going to be using a wireless system for a program or event, then you can register the event in the database ¡X this can be a one-time (a concert), a recurring (a series of meetings or shows), or a permanent (a weekly church service) event.

All white spaces devices must use spectrum sensing to detect TV stations, wireless microphones, and other devices ¡X whether or not they are registered in the proposed database ¡X in order to help prevent interference.

Only fixed devices can operate in channels 2-20, and they may not use adjacent channels.

There will be selected channels between 14 and 20, and between 21 and 51 that can be used by public safety agencies.



Navigating the Transition

As mentioned previously, your wireless system isn't just going to stop working on February 18th. Here's how to survive the changeover:

If your wireless can operate on other bands, then you'll be fine. It is still legal for wireless systems to use VHF channels 2-13 and UHF channels 14-51.

There will be channels available adjacent to local TV channels ¡X remember that only fixed devices can operate on channels 2-20, and they may not use adjacent channels. This leaves channels available for wireless use.

Use the FCC database to register the events where you will use your wireless systems, to protect them.

You could continue to operate in the 700MHz band, but it's likely that your ability to do so in the future will be restricted.


You can see the entire article here:
http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/wireless/white-spaces.php
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If I'm not mistaken, the reason for the 1,000.00 if purchased before 2/1/07 is that if they were purchased after that, they are not affected. I'm I wrong?
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Unfortunatley, I don't have the time to answer everyone's quesions because there will be MANY, and no-one can foresee everything that will happen as a result of the current, or upcoming, FCC and Industry Canada decisions. Reading the links I posted above is a good way to start learning.

I'm not suggesting this is what you were doing, Regan, but to help head off future confusion & misinformation, I encourage folks not to speculate or repeat rumours here. It will hurt, not help, everyone's understanding of the issue.

Good luck, because there is a LOT of info to wade through!
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Well, Dan, I hope I am not doing as you suggested. I would hardly call this a rumour. I just received that atricle in the mail yesterday, so that was why I was concerned. It really disturbed and worried me. Prior to that I had been wanting to find out more, and wondering about the situation for a long time. I had read some things, and heard some things, but there seemed to be a lot of uncertainties. It seemed that no one really knew for sure what was going to happen and there was much speculation. When I saw the Gallagher article, it seemed that the issues had been settled, and that these wireless companies had waded through the muck and had answers. It certainly is not answers I wanted to hear, but that article had more information that was seemingly certain than anything I had seen up until that point. Having said that, I have no way of knowing if the information is perfectly true and accurate. However, I don't believe that this article would have been published had it not been credible.

I'm sorry if I should not have mentioned this, or if it is confusing, (join the club) or whatever, but I thought it might possibly help some wireless owners. I also wanted to make everyone aware of those rebates and offers from the wireless manufacturers. I was unware of these offers until yesterday.
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I'm not saying that I think this topic shouldn't be here, Regan. I do think it should be here, becasue this issue is very important. I think that the info posted here needs to be clear & correct.

Although there's no guarantee, it's hopeful that statements by Shure, Sennheiser, Lectrosonics, James Stoffo, and other "bone fide" industry leaders in wireless mic technology will be based in excellent knowledge of the issue, and careful examination of the FCC's documents. While I know a lot about wireless, I don't rely upon my own interpretations when it comes to the "white spaces" issue. I defer to Shure, Sennheiser, Lectrosonics, and James Stoffo.
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I read an updated Shure article about this. Like the article I posted above it was written after the FCC finally handed down its rulings. It basically said a lot of the same things as the first article I read, but maybe more.

I'm still disturbed and aggrivated. It is so complicated, I'm sure there will be problems. I am unclear about a lot of things too. There is mention of a few spaces that will be free, and maybe these will be used by occassional wireless users??? If so, maybe we will not be affected so badly. Still, I think we need to register events when we will be using wireless systems. The database is supposedly going to be updated daily, but Shure recommends registering at least 2 days in advance.

From what I understand, anyone infringing on occupied and registered white spaces will be shut down. Yes, from what I gather they are going to have that ability. You either find a clear channel, or turn it off....or they shut you off.

That's just a small portion of what is going on. I forget how many pages this FCC ruling was, but it was a lot. If you use wireless, it looks like some things are gonna change.

Regan
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I too was very confused, even after reading the articles, I am not too tech savy, so I called Lectrosonics (my wireless transmitter mfr) they were very helpful, bottom line I have nothing to worry about, my units mhz, will in no way be effected, it is what he refered to as "travelling frequency" and has nothing to do with the 2 upcoming concerns, so I will sleep tonight, and if anyone else is confused & worried about it, call the mfr. service dept. It was like a 3 minute call. Just have the info available on your unit (model & frequency), you may be fretting over nothing!
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On 2009-03-27 21:22, Magicalpro wrote:
I too was very confused, even after reading the articles, I am not too tech savy, so I called Lectrosonics (my wireless transmitter mfr) they were very helpful, bottom line I have nothing to worry about, my units mhz, will in no way be effected, it is what he refered to as "travelling frequency" and has nothing to do with the 2 upcoming concerns, so I will sleep tonight, and if anyone else is confused & worried about it, call the mfr. service dept. It was like a 3 minute call. Just have the info available on your unit (model & frequency), you may be fretting over nothing!


Now there is some good advice!
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At White Magic Mfg. we have known for some time that certian frequency bands would be reallocated. If you have purchased a wireless mic from us you are good to go.

Most of you out there that have wireless mic's (no matter where you purchased it) are going to be OK.
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What frequency bands are going to be affected ?
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On 2009-04-08 12:40, The Donster wrote:
What frequency bands are going to be affected ?

In general, virtually everything will be affected, although each specific region will be different. I strongly suggest reading at least one of the links.
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