Lawrence, I am curious about the Lasson Flipper you bought on E-bay. Did you buy this from Lasson on E-bay? Or did you buy it from someone else? Also, did it have the Lasson Hallmark on it? The reason I ask, is that there are some unscrupulous sellers on E-bay who are advertising Lasson products that are not made by Lasson. I know of one instance in particular where I asked the dealer about the Hallmark and he told be that if I didn't feel comfortable buying it that I shouldn't purchase it. The next time I went on E-bay the item wasn't there anymore, and the dealer was advertising Tango Pro Flippers. I believe the only way to know that the product is by Lasson, is to buy it from him directly.

On 2009-04-06 18:26, smartboysports wrote:
Good point Mitchmark;

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Lawrence, I am curious about the Lasson Flipper you bought on E-bay. Did you buy this from Lasson on E-bay? Or did you buy it from someone else? Also, did it have the Lasson Hallmark on it? The reason I ask, is that there are some unscrupulous sellers on E-bay who are advertising Lasson products that are not made by Lasson. I know of one instance in particular where I asked the dealer about the Hallmark and he told be that if I didn't feel comfortable buying it that I shouldn't purchase it. The next time I went on E-bay the item wasn't there anymore, and the dealer was advertising Tango Pro Flippers. I believe the only way to know that the product is by Lasson, is to buy it from him directly.

Ebay shouldn't be a "buyer beware" market. It's misrepresentation and should be dealt with. I'm always searching Lassen, Schoolcraft, and other coin guys on Ebay.
I consistantly see a seller advertise coins as Lassen that aren't. They sell a 3CM as a TT -and there's a big difference. I use both, and I'm not debating preference, as I use each for different apps. They've also knocked off Kohler's U3F by getting the gaff from another source... not to give anything away, but the gaff is different than Bob or Todd did. It's not my issue, as I know better, but it's not fair to the unknowing -thinking they're buying top quality, but getting a mass produced sh***, etc. Even Todd has pointed it out on his blog.
Just my two cents

smartboysports, There is one E-bay dealer in particular who doesn't seam to have a problem supplying the public with copies of Troy Hooser's TT notes, illegal copies of other performer's dvds and manuscripts, and intentional knock offs of other peoples gaffs. If you'd like to know his E-bay name, PM me, and I'll give it to you. I don't know if I should name him on the Café, as I don't have the physical proof.

On 2009-04-08 03:26, Lawrence O wrote:
When it comes to [, Todd Lassen has been selling expanded [ which edge does not fully cover the coin's one.
He did some sets with [ fully covering the coin's edge but these were special orders and not expanded [: both can be easily seen on his site and blog.

The fact that very prolific genius inventors like David Neighbors support Todd in developing their new gaffs with him, does give him a commercial advantage in some situations and this is fair.

However he didn't invent neither the [ nor the expanded [ nor their combination: the fact that Troy Hooser created some great routines with Triple Threat doesn't grant Todd any special manufacturing rights. He not only didn't invent the Flipper nor the gravity Flipper but didn't ask permission or give credit to the creators. Thus he cannot expect a more favorable treatment than the one he gives to other creators who didn't come his way.

Now if some members here keep on bashing other manufacturers, making false statements about Todd Lassen's work, and even though I'm reluctant to do negative reports and keep trying to be as fair and positive as possible, I will have to publish the long list of Lassen's dissatisfied customer either by the quality of the coins they received directly from him or who reported on the net how he mistreated them before or after the sale. Such complaints were scattered on the net and in forums but, Todd Lassen having been around for a longer time than other craftsmen, it is much longer than he imagines and definitely longer than what blind followers would expect.

This list, like all the ones I published on other matters, is fairly impressive. By personal taste, I prefer making positive lists but "sect followers" making false statements presented as testimony about the quality of Todd's work, either to brag or for any other reason, may end up forcing me to publish it.

Todd is doing a very good job most of the time but he has a despicable contempt for his potential customers. On some products he is doing a better job than most like C/S, C/S/B, magn*** stacks but he is not especially remarkable on [ whether expanded or not and on Flippers and his bashing campaign on Jamie Schoolcraft's work has been been despicable.

Since I don't want to damage the reputation of anybody doing positive things for magic (and Todd Lassen actually does), members talking about his work with untrue statements or excessive "religious faith" should realize that they put him at risk of getting the opposite result to the one they seek. They should check my posts to see how thorough I can be with my lists and stop bashing at other craftsmen...

There is nothing wrong in liking Todd Lassen's work but, to properly help magician's here, members should remain factual in their reports (good is naturally ok) and not initiate religious wars based on their own prejudice.

"Pressure generates counter pressure"
Sigmund Freud

On 2009-04-08 03:26, Lawrence O wrote:

Now if some members here keep on bashing other manufacturers, making false statements about Todd Lassen's work, and even though I'm reluctant to do negative reports and keep trying to be as fair and positive as possible, I will have to publish the long list of Lassen's dissatisfied customer either by the quality of the coins they received directly from him or who reported on the net how he mistreated them before or after the sale. Such complaints were scattered on the net and in forums but, Todd Lassen having been around for a longer time than other craftsmen, it is much longer than he imagines and definitely longer than what blind followers would expect.

This list, like all the ones I published on other matters, is fairly impressive. By personal taste, I prefer making positive lists but "sect followers" making false statements presented as testimony about the quality of Todd's work, either to brag or for any other reason, may end up forcing me to publish it.

Since I don't want to damage the reputation of anybody doing positive things for magic (and Todd Lassen actually does), members talking about his work with untrue statements or excessive "religious faith" should realize that they put him at risk of getting the opposite result to the one they seek. They should check my posts to see how thorough I can be with my lists and stop bashing at other craftsmen...

On 2009-04-09 09:12, Tom G wrote:
Lawrence, while you do publish amazing lists of effects and variations in print and video, threatening to publish a list of TL's unhappy customers and calling his customers "sect followers" is plain childish. You sing the praises of the French coin maker, why spend time being concerned about TL?