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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Without being political, I was curious to see the level of troop commitment there is for Afghanistan. Using Wikipedia, I found the number of troops deployed by country and divided it by the country's population to give some sort of idea who was committing how much. Any errors or omissions in the table are mine. If anyone cares to fact check, I'd appreciate it.
Population Troops Troops/ million population (millions) 1. UK 61,612 8,745 0.141936636 2. Denmark 5,511 727 0.131917982 3. Norway 4,810 588 0.122245322 4. Netherlands 16,492 1,770 0.107324764 5. Canada 33,610 2,830 0.084201131 6. USA 306,174 19,950 0.065159027 7. Belgium 10,741 650 0.060515781 8. Australia 21,708 1,090 0.050211903 9. Italy 60,090 2,850 0.047428857 10 Germany 82,062 3,600 0.04386927 11 France 65,073 2,785 0.042798088 12 Poland 38,130 1,600 0.04196171 13 Romania 21,498 740 0.034421807 14 Spain 45,853 780 0.017010883 15 Turkey 71,517 850 0.011885286 Maybe I'll do commitment as a function of GDP later (if anyone cares). John
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
See page 2 of this document:
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/epub/pdf/isaf_placemat.pdf Your numbers seem in the ballpark, especially considering that they fluctuate daily.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
So what's the break down of combat mission vs logisticsl support?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-04-08 14:51, balducci wrote: Great find. It looks as though Wikipedia is slightly out of date. Quote:
On 2009-04-08 14:52, MagicSanta wrote: No. Why don't you work on that? John
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Magic4u1 New user 62 Posts |
What about Israel ?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-04-08 15:50, Magic4u1 wrote: Balducci's link will answer that, as of April 3, 2009. John
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
First off, John, I don't need to work on it because I'm not the one claiming all things are equal in Afghanistan. I WAS a 'UN Peace Keeper', what is your background in real world situations like that?
I don't understand the question "What about Israel?" nor Johns response. I have an answer but I'd like to know specifically why that was asked because it can go in one of two directions, one is naivity, the other much darker and disgusting. Which is it? |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Santa, you asked a question that I have no clue about. That's why I suggested you provide an answer. As for the Israel question, I have no idea what that's about. If he wants to know if Israel has troops in Afghanistan, the link will answer the question. If he's asking about something else, I don't know what it is.
John
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
The answer is many countries provide troops in non combat rolls.
There is a very clear reason why Israel does not have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, believe me, they offered to go and take an active roll. I smell anti semitism and that is something I feel very strongly about. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-04-08 16:57, MagicSanta wrote: That is true, but it is important support as well. In terms of combat, the US, UK and Canada have sacrificed the most, losing 610,152 and 115 soldiers respectively (as of April 7, 2009). John
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'm still puzzled - where is the mention of the Afgani's on that list in the original post and what side are they on?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-04-08 19:51, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I doubt that you are puzzled. The military was dismantled with the fall of the government, of course. Many of the foreign troops stationed in Afghanistan are trying to train domestic police and military forces. Amongst the obstacles they face are very high mortality for local forces, and very little domestic currency to pay them a decent wage. Afghanistan was poor, corrupt and violent before the invasion. It is poor corrupt and violent as the (re)building effort progresses. What else could you expect? John
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'd expect those who profess some degree of wisdom to watch as those who are a nation choose what they will for themselves.
A certain Tom Lehrer song comes to mind. Quote:
When someone makes a move As to my own opinion on the matter of other people's culture, politics etc... it's theirs.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Looking at the numbers, I believe John misspoke.
If you look at the U.S. versus Canada and the U.K. combined, America has suffered proportionally (slightly) more losses. Unless I miscalculated. But, yes, those other issues I mentioned also complicate things.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
I referred to sacrifice: which nation has given up more life. The math was a quick mental estimate. Here are the numbers based on earlier posts.
US: 610deaths/306 million population: For every million Americans, 1.99 military deaths in Afghanistan. UK: 152 deaths/61 million population: For every million citizens of the UK, 2.49 military deaths in Afghanistan. Canada: 115 deaths/33million population: For every million Canadians, 3.48 military deaths in Afghanistan. Indeed not double, but a significantly higher national sacrifice. And not something to be mocked from behind the safety of a keyboard. John
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
What Mr. Townsend said, both times.
Sacrifice implies giving up something now for some later good. The debate over numbers here is over something that is an illusion. Jack
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Each family suffered equal when they lost a family member in conflict.
Breaking it down to numbers is to attempt to remove the human element. If you want to talk "sacrafice" a country can not make one. PEOPLE make them.
Danny Doyle
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
There have been suggestions on this forum that nobody other than the US is making a significant contribution. It is false.
John
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I don't care where a life comes from it is a LIFE FOR PITY SAKE!
Once more a COUNTRY does not make a sacrafice, a person/family does. I don't care what country they are from. This is the point that gets lost in the arguement I think. As well as the fact that the other side makes sacrifices as well.
Danny Doyle
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
I agree with you Danny. And I wish the discussion focussed on the immediacy of the sacrifice.
I would prefer not to feel the need to respond to political posturing. John
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