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mikenewman
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I couldn't find another place to post this, so my apoligies if I missed it.

I have noticed quite a few of the same audience members in a variety of Magic Video's. Example being a guy that in Jay Sankey's "Best Of". The guy up front that really laughs a lot and loves Jay (who doesn't love him!)

I am pretty sure the same guy is on the L&L's Worlds Greatest "Card to Wallet". And I have seen the blond girl from JS bset of, in a few places as well..

I figure that you willsee the same people here and there that are girlfriends, wives etc. But this seemed weird.

I would love to make a living at watching magic for video!
I just thought it was interesting.

Oh. I just searched and realized that Jay's Best Of is done by L&L. I guess my observations aren't that weird after all. They must work for L & L I am guessing...

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These are professional audience members and that's why the reaction can't be trusted on these videos. Some of the L&L audiences are better known that the performers!
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I swear one of the ladies in the L&L vids was in Tin Cup.

OK, I looked it up and she's not but it sure does look like her.
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That's my new goal in life. I want to be a professional "Magic" audience member!

Just feed me and give me a corner of a room and my sleeping bag. That would be cool!

The blond girl in Sankey's Best Of is sitting up fron to the right (from Jay's POV). I swear I keep seeing her in various vids.

Actually, that does bother me that they're hired for this. That's pretty lame in itself, but at least hire diffrent people!

Mike
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L&L uses its employees for audiences in the videos, why you see so many of the same faces.
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Yep, that makes sense from their perspective I guess. I don't like it though. I want to see a real audience. I know many DVD's have this, so I am going to start looking for those.

This is not a HUGE deal by any means in preventing one from learning. That is the true point of the DVD's anyways. To learn.
I just personally enjoy seeing real situations with Non-magic audiences.

Thanks for joining me in my boring complaint here...
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I like some of the L&L chicks, especially the blondes, brunettes and red heads!!!

When my wife catches me watching my DVDs and suspects me of doing something naughty I just claim to be practicing my shuffling technique. Wacka wacka.
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Andi now that's funny. On most of these videos I truly believe that even a random lay-audience would have similiar reactions and therefore never believe Im mislead by the audience ractions.Honestly even if there was not an audience on some of these videos I'd be ok with it.
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No audience sometimes impairs the timing of the performer and I don't think a random lay audience reacts the same as an L&L audience. The reactions are over-the-top and artificial because they film the same trick more than one take to make a more perfect dvd and the same folks are hearing the same jokes and seeing the same trick more than once and pretending to be surprised.
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Threads like these always befuddle me just a bit. When I made my DVD, everbody was griping about the "artificial" audiences for L&L, saying they were "over the top" "fake" "phoney" and "obnoxious and annoying." Fully 3/4's of the posters at that time said that, especially for the close-up stuff, they'd like to see a video with just 4-5 lay people around a table with the magician.

So I put out my DVD just that way. 4 people around a table. Two were a couple, but otherwise they didn't know each other before the shoot. (Sadly the shoot was at like 8 AM!)

Guess what?

I got comments like, "well, yeah they applauded and laughed, but they seemed really reserved. I would have liked to see more energy out of the audience," etc.

So you just can't win in this regard.

Personally, I have never purcahsed a magical intruction video to see how the studio audience reacted to the performer or his effects anyway.
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Perhaps you are right Scott
but this L and L audiences are annoying

there´s this guy.. john. a blonde with a moustache that they keep sitting in front
that is always yelling and applauding for the littlest thing
is like he was drunk and in love with the performer
some of the time is even funny because he reacts and applauds when the effect isn't over yet.. is just annoying

I rather see a video with real audiences like paul stockman dvd or andy nyman
you could actually see how the audiences reacted to their mentalism.
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Hi Guys,

In my new release "THE iIMPOSSIBLE ENVELOPE" we decided to use no audience members at all.

They are not always necessary or required to perform and explain a routine. In fact they can sometimes distract from the purpose of the DVD in the first instance.

Pretty girls are nice to look at and I agree that L&L have many of those. However if I want to look at girls there are many better outlets for that.

When you go see a lecture you watch the lecturer and not the other audience members.Lets face it you will never get a real world reception from other magicians and mentalists anyway.

The only real reaction will come from a lay audience, that's where I make my money and the only people that its important to please.

Paul
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On 2009-04-18 19:34, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Threads like these always befuddle me just a bit. When I made my DVD, everbody was griping about the "artificial" audiences for L&L, saying they were "over the top" "fake" "phoney" and "obnoxious and annoying." Fully 3/4's of the posters at that time said that, especially for the close-up stuff, they'd like to see a video with just 4-5 lay people around a table with the magician.

So I put out my DVD just that way. 4 people around a table. Two were a couple, but otherwise they didn't know each other before the shoot. (Sadly the shoot was at like 8 AM!)

Guess what?

I got comments like, "well, yeah they applauded and laughed, but they seemed really reserved. I would have liked to see more energy out of the audience," etc.

So you just can't win in this regard.


Same critical reaction that Bob Sheets got in reviews of his "Bob Does Hospitality" DVDs. I don't think you magician/producers can really win in this aspect of the biz!

IMO magician consumers are a particularly stupid and petty lot. Always ready to consume the flavor of the moment, always ready to voice some nonsensical gripe about the least important aspect of any professional offering...

PS- On an unrelated note, that brunette -"Jenna" on the L&L videos was completely smoking hot...
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Nah..
what scott is saying is nonsense
why do you think it is common knowledge for magicians to say stuff like.. ¨dont expect them to react like L and L audiences¨ whose fault it is that? ours?
could you at least accept they are over reacting??
it is beyond obvious, even lay audiences can see that.. is like?.. are they clapping just because that guy produced a sponge ball from his pants?
there are times that the effect isn't over yet the audience is over reacting. like.. AWESOME he just dissapered a card.. that's it! lets clap!..
without waiting to see where the card it is supposed to appear. it is just sad
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make here, Alpha Alex. Sorry.
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I'm just saying the audience members on LandL over act
and I would rather see magicians perform with real audiences
that's it
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Like Scott said - you can't win.
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Quote:
On 2010-08-07 12:59, alpha alex wrote:
:)
I'm just saying the audience members on LandL over act
and I would rather see magicians perform with real audiences
that's it


ok, thanks for clarifying...
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Wow,
This topic took off a bit...
I have decided that since I do video editing, I am going to edit out the blonde/mustach dood, and duplicate 10 of the blonde girl for the audience! Now that's magic my friends.

Or, actually, I would love to invite Mr. Laughy Laugh to any show I put on. That will make me feel all good inside. Like a sponge ball coming out of my hand HAHAHAHAHAHA!
BTW: I am sure he is a great guy. Not trying to make fun of him.

No, I don't buy DVDs to see the audience by any means!!
BUT, when the audience is over-reacting, it DOES bug me!

I love Oz Pearlman's "Born To Perform" DVD. He's on the streets. You see the actual reactions. Even one guy caught him during his ACR, but didn't ruin it all. And best of all, THEY didn't EDIT IT OUT! I love that! That is REAL WORLD. I enjoy seeing that for the "demo" so to speak. And then back in the studio for the "lesson".

Penguin just released (well I just got it free), their "Greatest Beginner DVD". NOTHING earth shattering at all. But Oz demos the effects on a blond (sure are a lot of blondes in magic...), and then he teaches HER how to do the effect!!
I loved this approach!

I have rambled on...

By all means, to each their own.

Mike
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