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rdsachs
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This may have been posted about before but ive looked all over and cant find it. Ive started performing the linking rings ( I have 4 small walk about sized ones) and frankly ive only shown them to frineds and family so far but every time I take them out people just start clamoring to see them before during and after the show. Now I hand them out twice during the routine once a single one and once a linked one but they always want to try and grab and see the others..

How does everyone deal with this sort of thing? Im probably going to buy another set so that I can put them away and them hand them the doubles when they ask again but does anyone have any advice? THanks!
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I perform different types of shows in different settings, including children's birthday parties, summer camps, cub scouts, adult parties,small corporate banquets etc. Because these are "formal" shows, I have never had anyone ask to inspect any of my props, including when I perform the linking rings. People just don't have the opportunity or expectation that they are going to inspect my props (except to the extent I incorporate examining and handling props into a routine). In a more informal setting, I could see someone occasionally asking to do so. I would probably respond by saying jokingly (apparently), "No you can't--it's a trick!" and move right into my next trick. I have occasionally run into a kindred situation when performing strolling card magic. I ask someone to put the card back in the deck after I've cut the deck in the middle (in preparation for my card control)and sometimes someone will say, "Do I have to put it there, can't I put it back somewhere else?" or else they'll say, "Can I shuffle the cards?" I usually answer, emphatically: "No! I'm not that good!" This gets a laugh, but it defuses the situation and allows me to keep on moving. The last thing I want to do, even if I could let someone examine the rings, or handle the cards (unless this is structured into the trick), is let someone take control of and mess up the flow of my performance. If your handling of the rings is clean and convincing (or your card trick packs a great punch), no one will remember or care that their request to check your props was brushed aside.
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I think there is a psychological advantage of using bigger rings and doing the effect "on stage". Close up props, by nature, invite more hands on desires by the audience...
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I wouldn't let anyone handle the props "to examine" them. I let someone HOLD the chain of 3 and I do a crash link onto it and pull them away on a line that gets a laugh and continue on until all linked in a long chain, then toss 'em into my bag.
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I do a three ring routine using large rings. I generally carry a permanently linked set which I switch and accidently leave sitting out and exposed at the end of the show. (Everything else is under cover by the time I take a final bow.) I generally have a gaggle of kids who rush up at the end. Usually one of them will grab the exposed rings and try to unlink in front of their friends. Since from their point of view this is completely out of my control, the final effect is even stronger.

Today, I know young adults who I performed for when they were very young. I have had them comment years later about how truly impossible my ring trick was.
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I'm still intrigued that no one follows the patent of Guy Bert on his Anneaux Innovation, who used rings of slightly different sizes substantially improving the look of switches.

Dariel Fitzkee had taken up the idea in Linking Rings Manipulations and Rings in your Fingers. The small or smaller rings should be just small enough to slip through the collected rings. On large rings the size difference is really not noticeable.
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I do a large ring routine, Whit Hayden's, where an audience member helps out and handles the rings, or so it appears, and I've never had anyone ask to see the rings.

I also carry around a set of Ninja Rings and have had a few folks ask to see the ring, one woman suspected the K** although didn't know specifically what it was. I just smiled and said no.
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On 2009-04-10 04:30, Lawrence O wrote:
I'm still intrigued that no one follows the patent of Guy Bert on his Anneaux Innovation, who used rings of slightly different sizes substantially improving the look of switches.



Where could one find these, Lawrence?
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On 2009-04-13 13:06, mandarin wrote...

Where could one find these, Lawrence?

Owen makes oversized and undersized counterparts for most of their rings.

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How about this....Bring out 4 singles and have them looked over, get them to choose one, put other 3 away and do a ring and string routine or any routine where only one ring is needed, then bring out the "other" 3 rings and go into the routine. Yes you will need three additional singles but it would be worth it, especially in the close-up arena.

Just a thought.

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On 2009-04-15 03:59, gjmagic wrote:
How about this....Bring out 4 singles and have them looked over, get them to choose one, put other 3 away and do a ring and string routine or any routine where only one ring is needed, then bring out the "other" 3 rings and go into the routine. Yes you will need three additional singles but it would be worth it, especially in the close-up arena.

Just a thought.

Gary Jones.


I like that idea. And I don't think you need 3 singles for the rings routine as long as they are shown to be singles during the routine.
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If you're using small enough rings you can always switch out the dirty one into a convenient pocket towards the end of the routine...

The "Before, During and After..." part is all about audience management. You gotta make them understand there is a time to examine, and a time to just enjoy the show!

Good luck, mate!
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Wow!! thanks everybody for the response! I hvent had a chance to log in in a while but I really appreciate it! I do use small close up rings and I think that really does make it more tempting to the audience; its not a stage prop which is untouchable and part of the magicians tools its right there in front of them so they want to see it especially as I'm saying here are 4 rings.

I like the idea of having 4 examined and then beginning with a ring string routine and moving into the linking rings as I do think thatll cement in their minds the rings are solid although (and I haven't tried this yet) I suspect they will still ask to see the rings at the end to be sure. My favourite idea is switching out the rings during the routine and 'leaving them behind'. its the sort of 'mistake' that'll seal the magic in their minds forever I think. The best way of doing this was shown to me by a magician standing in spitalfields market in London if anyone's been there where he goes from 4 linked rings to 4 separate rings then he puts one away and continues with 2 linking them in a chain and unlinking them and in the end leaves them on the table to be examined. The audience doesn't want to examine anymore aas theyre testing 3 rings already and the magician just showed he can link them and unlink them at will.. Im still working on a convincing way of doing this. I think I will buy another set to have to be examined though.

Thanks everyone!
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It is very possible to build a routine where you can ask spectators to assist in holding the rings, both during the linking and the unlinking and in between. Shoot Ogawa has some very convincing examples in his Ninja Rings DVD.

Don't give rings out for examination. Then it wil be obvious, that not all rings are given out. But give spectators rings to hold to assist you. This emphasizes the fact that you have nothing to hide.

I have designed a routine where spectators are asked to hold a single ring, a chain af twoo, assist in linking first two singles, then two chains of two and assist in holding a chain of two, while they are separated from the rest.

If you deliberately plan to give a spectator a ring to hold before anyone get the chance to ask, you can keep control and at the same time make the impression that every ring is innocent and examinable.

A few switches and a convincing display of the key ring adds considerable to the illusion.

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On 2009-04-15 03:59, gjmagic wrote:
How about this....Bring out 4 singles and have them looked over, get them to choose one, put other 3 away and do a ring and string routine or any routine where only one ring is needed, then bring out the "other" 3 rings and go into the routine. Yes you will need three additional singles but it would be worth it, especially in the close-up arena.
Just a thought.
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I think that Mark Elsdon mentioned something similar(he has little labels on them signed during strolling, and uses the rings as a big finish). This, with other interesting thoughts can be found on the booklet 'The Meridian Technique'.

PS - Gary - I still really like performing 'pocket to pocket' (with CTW finish), and shock twist - good work!
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As part of my NeckLacy Routine, I start with 4 small rings threaded on, 2-linked,2-separate. After doing a 'count' to show them separate I 'link' two of them and hand them out with instructions for the person with the linked pair to try and get them apart, and the one with the singles to link them up. Later I take back a single for a Ring on String effect. I switch it for the key at some point, varying acording to setting, retrieve the other rings and proceed. Sometimes I also switch the 2+1 for a set of three and hand back out, switch the key and do another ring on Rope and Hand that out. Bigger rings would be a problem for the switches, but the approach is sound. (my hands are large enough to do a Utility Switch with the rings.) Now that I am adding Aldo's 3-ring Symphony I'll have to do a different switch.
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On 2009-04-15 03:59, gjmagic wrote:
How about this....Bring out 4 singles and have them looked over, get them to choose one, put other 3 away and do a ring and string routine or any routine where only one ring is needed, then bring out the "other" 3 rings and go into the routine. Yes you will need three additional singles but it would be worth it, especially in the close-up arena.
Just a thought.
Gary Jones.


I think that Mark Elsdon mentioned something similar(he has little labels on them signed during strolling, and uses the rings as a big finish). This, with other interesting thoughts can be found on the booklet 'The Meridian Technique'.

PS - Gary - I still really like performing 'pocket to pocket' (with CTW finish), and shock twist - good work!


Hi puggo,

I use this method with the linking rings all the time now and I never get asked for them to be seen after. Attitude is the key (pun intended), I just get them to look over the 4 singles, they choose one, I put the other 3 away, do the ring and string bit, bring out the "other 3 rings" do the linking and unlinking, put the single back with the other 3 singles and the "other 3 rings" in my other pocket, all reset, simple and extremely effective.

When I bring out the 4 normal singles at the start I count them the same way I'll count the "other set" later, this does two things, 1, it gets them used to the action later, 2, if anyone knows the method they will be thinking, "let me see those rings" so after the count you immediately hand them the rings to look over (I never say examine), you watch their faces (the ones who thought they knew the method). It may be just a UK thing but so many people over here know about a "gap" in one of the rings, this method along with also using 4 rings instead of just 3 really does fry them. During the routine when two are linked I hand these out to be checked over, I take them back and link the other two and hand "these" out also, I'm sure people can work out their own handling to this.

So to recap, they've checked all the rings as single, they've checked two sets linked in pairs, so they will just sit back and enjoy the rest of the routine (they actually have enjoyed the whole routine but I'm just emphasising some valid points). Like I said, at no point to I get them to examine the rings but due to many exposures when you hand them the rings boy will they examine them!!

As Pete Biro mentioned, whatever works for you, luckily this is my job so I can 'fire these ideas in action' this is now a keeper. Like all great magic, it's staring us right in the face, we have to take an idea/prop etc and really work on it before it becomes part of us, this, like all my routines are forever evolving, watch this space for more subtleties on this in the near future.

By the way puggo, Pocket to Pocket is a killer sequence, thank you for your kind remarks.

All the best,

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Where could one find these, Lawrence?

Owen makes oversized and undersized counterparts for most of their rings.

Greg


Thanks, Greg, I will check that out.
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People are always going to want to see the rings. The reason - this is one of the most exposed effects in magic. Unfortunately, the rings come in almost all of the beginner's magic sets. A pro may have a few more "moves," but the secret is the same and you'll take a lot of heat because of it.

Personally, I stopped doing the rings a few weeks after learning a nice routine and having these type of problems. The final straw: I was doing a scout show and had a kid yell out the secret. Loudly. I tried to blow him off, but he persisted. He finally said "Well if that isn't the secret, let us look at them." I handed him one ring. "No," he says "all of them." And of course, you can't. I haven't done the rings since.
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